Balancing Mind, Body, and Spirit: Holistic Cancer Care with Zak

Tune in to uncover the secrets of holistic cancer prevention and healing with Zak, the Health King from beatcancer.org. Expect to learn about the transformative programs and resources his nonprofit offers, from personalized counseling with naturopathic physicians to the certification of holistic cancer coaches. Through insightful discussions, Zak reveals how understanding the body deeply and providing tailored support can significantly improve one's health and healing journey, whether for prevention or post-diagnosis care.

Imagine tackling modern dietary and lifestyle choices with a fresh perspective. We discuss how consuming processed foods and chemical-laden products can harm our health, and why raw dairy might be a better choice over pasteurized dairy. Dive into the historical context of grains and gluten, and reflect on the shortcomings of the traditional food pyramid. This episode advocates for a personalized approach to nutrition, emphasizing the positive impacts of embracing holistic health practices.

Health isn't achieved through quick fixes; it's a consistent, intentional effort. Our conversation extends to the importance of balancing physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, and relational well-being. With insights from "Health King's Court: Ancient Wisdom, Modern Health," we explore topics like biological dentistry and gut health, supporting the idea that cancer is a biological response to unhealthy inputs. We round out the episode with empowering messages on maintaining authenticity, personal responsibility, and the continuous improvement of the Beat Cancer initiative, inspiring listeners to take actionable steps towards a healthier, more fulfilling life.

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Chapters

• 0:00 The Patrick Bass Show
• 15:41 Holistic Health and Dietary Changes
• 26:14 Transforming Health Through Intentionality
• 35:12 Understanding Cancer as a Biological Response
• 39:02 Healing Through Energy and Fulfillment
• 51:21 Empowerment and Authenticity in Holistic Health

Transcript

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Speaker 1: 4:00

Friday edition of the Patrick Bass Show. On today's show we're going to dive into a realm of health and healing that you won't hear about from your typical doctor. We've got Zach, the Health King, here with us. He's leading the charge in holistic cancer prevention and he works at his charity, beatcancerorg, and for over 47 years this nonprofit has been providing life-changing personalized support to cancer patients. But Zach's vision goes beyond just cancer. He's tackling what he calls the sixth state of modern society, and we're going to be talking all about that. So glad to have him on as part of the program. Zach, it's an honor to have you. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4: 4:39

Thanks for having me, Patrick. That was a super cool intro. Probably the coolest song I've ever been brought out to Isn't?

Speaker 1: 4:44

that cool. Yeah, listen, your name is Zach the Health King. Listen, your name is Zach the Health King. That's kind of your moniker. You're part of bcancerorg. What is the role of that website? What does it do? How does it help the average person learn about holistic health practices and integrate it into their life?

Speaker 4: 5:01

Well, it helps people in different ways. You know, we really try to meet people where they're at with a variety of different programs, each one tailored to different subcategories of people and people on different areas of the spectrum of a cancer journey. So, you know, ideally we help people on the preventative side of things. You don't necessarily have to have cancer or a cancer concern to work with us or to participate in our programs or learn from and with us. We help people just understand the body at a deeper way. We also help people if they have a cancer concern or a diagnosis current or one that is in remission. We help them prevent recurrences and we help people that are currently in any stage along the way as well, through a variety of different programs.

Speaker 4: 5:48

We offer personalized one-on-one counseling with our in-house naturopathic licensed physician. We offer free group weekly calls that people can hop on. It's an open forum chat just to talk about all things health and healing. We have our educational courses that we sell in order to fund the free program. Those are tailored to different groups as well, and that also offers the opportunity for people to become trained and certified holistic cancer coaches, of which we have hundreds all around the world, helping people in different capacities. So I mean, that's a small sample of things that we have going on, where we just try to be a one-stop shop for education and healing one-stop shop for education and healing.

Speaker 1: 6:32

Yeah, I was going to say it sounds like you guys really have every base covered when it comes to holistic health care, particularly with respect to the treatment of cancer. But for those that don't understand what that means, can you kind of explain the concept of holistic health?

Speaker 4: 6:47

Yeah, absolutely so. Let's break down the word right Holistic. What does that even mean? That means that we are considering all parts of a whole system and the average person has in today's society, in that people have been led to be compartmentalized in the way they view really everything.

Speaker 4: 7:20

But this is so damaging when we're talking about health in the body, because nothing exists in a vacuum. Everything exists in the body as parts of a whole. If you have an issue in one area of your body, that doesn't mean that only that area of your body is unwell and nothing else is going on. And that doesn't mean that you can necessarily spot treat that area of the body and assume that you're going to be better and you're going to get better and so really overall, a holistic approach just means that you're considering an entire person with your approach to healing. That means considering their entire physical body but also their mental and emotional and even spiritual health alongside. And that's in stark contrast to a lot of the modern conventional approaches to health that are very spot treat or spot attack and do a lot of damage to that whole person along the way because they're not considering the health of that whole person.

Speaker 1: 8:18

You know, to me it makes a lot of sense to treat the whole person rather than just a symptom. Or you know, hey, we've got another cancer patient here, let's treat this. It takes everything into context and provides care in the context of the individual. Is that part of the problem with our current medical system? I mean, we seem to be limited and there seems to be an awakening to that fact. I think Programs such as yours that offer holistic care are gaining momentum. I mean, what's your perspective on the current medical system?

Speaker 4: 8:49

I mean what's your perspective on the current medical system? Well, you know it's far beyond the intensity that would be appropriate to say on the podcast, but yeah it's. You know there's people that say it's broken, but I don't agree with that. I think it's operating actually exactly as it was intended, and when you understand that it wasn't necessarily intended to operate with the end user in mind and with their best interest in mind in the first place, you understand that it isn't broken. It's actually working very well at how it was designed. It just was designed not in the end user's favor, and so that's very sad.

Speaker 4: 9:35

What it did to all of the healing modalities that existed long before it and are still valid as today, as they were back then when they issued their media smear campaigns to destroy everything that wasn't petro-pharmaceuticals and hack job surgeries, and it's just been chugging along exactly as it was always destined to be. It's insane how much they've pulled over on society, and it's been a steady descend into this blind trust of these systems that we now see being broken because of instances of them overplaying their hand and just being so ridiculous that even sleeping people can't help but notice the craziness. And, um, you're right, we do see a very mass scale awakening that's going on simultaneously. They're doing damage control and doing certain things to try to keep people within their control and within their grasp and within their systems, but I think the cracks in the dam have reached a critical point where there's no stopping. There's no stopping this holistic revolution that we're seeing. I think it's beautiful.

Speaker 1: 10:45

Well, and let me just preface everything I'm about to say with this first statement. One I've met some amazing physicians who are, in every sense of the word, healers, just great doctors. I've also met some really crappy doctors who are, by every definition quote practicing medicine. The problem is they were practicing on me or somebody I love.

Speaker 1: 11:05

To me and I'm an amateur looking at this and I'm an amateur looking at this but to me it makes sense that if I'm in the business of making money off of people being sick, then I only make money when people are sick, and so if they actually get well and get healed, then I'm losing potential customers and clients. Some might call them patients and clients. Some might call them patients. But do you think that part of the whole problem that we have with the current medical system is it's not designed to cure people, it's designed to keep them just healthy enough to keep coming back in for another check-in or another co-pay or something like that. I've just seen too many instances where doctors again speaking in generalities, aren't really interested in me as a person, but they're interested in me to the extent of what can they build insurance, and that's the problem I see from my very amateur perspective.

Speaker 4: 12:00

Yeah, yeah, it's a mess. It's absolutely a mess. And of course, you know, when speaking in generalities, there's always exceptions, but also exceptions. Don't disprove the rules and disprove the generalities. There's, of course, always nuance and gray area in all things. But again, when you study history and the history of the medical system and where it came from and where it is now, and who funds what and who writes the textbooks and who approves the so-called peer-reviewed studies and who are the peers, it's all just a cluster of deception.

Speaker 1: 12:36

It was like that. Remember I don't know how old you are, but it was back in the late 70s there was this commercial and it was about dental health it might have been about a toothpaste or something and they said three out of five dentists recommend. Well, how many did you ask? Well, we asked five, and three of them. Three of them said that this was really good. Well, who did they work for? Well, they worked for us. But you know that kind of thing. What do you? What do you? You have this phrase that you used called the sixth state of modern society. What is that? It's interesting that you used called the sixth state of modern society. What is that?

Speaker 4: 13:13

It's interesting that you picked up on that. It's not necessarily something that I say often in those specific words, but I mean look around, look around, man. Everyone has been led to believe that these chronic and severe ailments and illnesses are normal. Chronic and severe ailments and illnesses are normal. There's been a normalization of these insane ailments to all degrees and some things so insane and debilitating, such as Alzheimer's, cancer, diabetes, autism all these things have been normalized. And then, even on the lower scale, people have chronic pain and inflammation, digestive issues, allergies. None of these things are actually natural or normal. Things are common these days but people think they are normal and they're just not. And this is compounded by just complete mental insanity and mental ailment and mental illness and unwellness in a variety of capacities. I think people are very spiritually damaged and have damaged relationships and damaged family units and it's obscene From all angles. People have been attacked and the average person is just very unwell in every capacity of their life.

Speaker 1: 14:29

Well, I think you mentioned somewhere in the show notes if I got this wrong, please correct me that your organization has been around about 47 years. Is that right? That's correct, 77. Okay, obviously you didn't have a website back then, that's true. But you guys have been around a while. But you know, 47, 50 years ago cancer wasn't nearly as common as it is now. And you know 47, 50 years ago cancer wasn't nearly as common as it is now.

Speaker 1: 14:54

And you know, in my lifetime I can remember as a child I had never heard of somebody that was lactose intolerant. Maybe every once in a while are allergic to gluten, which I'm convinced is the part that tastes the best, because I've had some of that anti-gluten stuff and it just is awful. So, whatever gluten is, it must taste amazing. But that's neither here nor there, but you know it's very common. I'm lactose intolerant. Well, can you eat this? No, because I also have a gluten allergy. Well, can you eat this? No, because I also am allergic to tomatoes and onions and beans. Well, what can you eat? I can eat this biologically engineered chicken breast that came from a 22 pound hen. You know, something's not right, I mean, and I have my theory. I'd like to get your take my theory.

Speaker 4: 15:42

It's what we're putting into our food and ultimately putting into our body that's making us sick. Well, a hundred percent input equals output, right? You wouldn't put Coca-Cola in your car's gas tank and expect your car to run right. And yet people are putting all these insane inputs into their body, not just in the form of food but in the form of other so-called medicines via, you know, direct injection or oral form or whatever else. Creams, uh, people are slathering themselves in chemical body products, people are inhaling nastiness in so-called air fresheners and all. There's such a barrage from all angles, inside and outside, of just chemicals and things that aren't meant to ever be in the body. And we can address those two specifics that you even just mentioned the lactose intolerance and the gluten because those aren't random either. Those are very real things with real causes and it's not random. So, lactose intolerance the first thing that we have to talk about is dairy and what real dairy is versus modern dairy. Modern dairy is pasteurized and that has a whole propaganda thing behind it and a bunch of garbage science. To keep it very simple, when you superheat something, which is what pasteurization is, it alters it molecularly. It alters and destroys and damages and mutates so many parts of it, and so they say it's to just quote, kill the bad bacteria in the dairy. But what about the good bacteria? What about all the other stuff that you're now altering and mutating in a way that's now less digestible by the body? And then that opens up a whole conversation of what bacteria even is and if it's actually a cause or if it's actually an effect, that's all of the conversation. A cause or if it's actually an effect, that's all other conversation. But it's very fascinating how many accounts there are of people that struggle with lactose or dairy, switching to raw dairy and suddenly their whole life gets better and they can enjoy the raw cheese and raw milk etc. Because it's in a more natural form that's more biocompatible with the body. And this brings into the question their gut health in general. If your gut is wrecked, which most people's are, through so many different things antibiotics, et cetera yeah, you might have trouble even digesting some raw dairy at first, but again, heal the gut at first. But again, heal the gut, heal really most, or a lot of health issues Gluten, gluten the fascinating thing, my personal philosophy is that there's really no reason to be eating grains and stuff like that, where the gluten is most present.

Speaker 4: 18:23

If you look historically, a lot of that stuff was generally peasant food. It was poverty food. It was meant for poor people that couldn't afford the better food, the real meats and fruits and such, and I don't think we're really optimized for eating grains. And so gluten appears to act as like a paste and sticks up our digestive tract, allegedly. I know I feel best when I stay away from grains, but the other part of the equation is when wheat again most people's exposure to gluten is so heavily sprayed with pesticides. That isn't the gluten, isn't the pesticides, isn't both, I don't know. So that's that, you know.

Speaker 1: 19:07

Yeah, and you know, the dairy industry has been very effective at demonizing raw milk. Yeah, I mean, it's actually to the point where it's illegal in many locations, yep, and I can only think of one or two places nearby where I live in rural Arkansas that I can buy raw milk and raw milk products, and even then it's very tightly controlled. You've got to jump through hoops. Do you remember the food pyramid? Yeah, yeah, what do you think of that? I mean, because isn't that that was? You know, you eat six or seven servings of this and three or four of that and one or two, and they were heavily pushing stuff like grains and so forth, and I mean they were indoctrinating kids with this, you know, back in the 70s and 80s, in elementary and middle school.

Speaker 2: 19:55

Yeah, and look at us.

Speaker 1: 19:57

We grew up fat and sick.

Speaker 4: 19:58

Geez, yeah, exactly. Results don't lie right. Results speak for themselves. And again, I would challenge anyone to follow that food pyramid recommendation and just see how they feel. Be your own scientist. I don't care about studies, I don't care about any of that garbage. Be your own scientist Genuinely. Try things and then observe how you feel. Be conscious enough to observe the changes in your body. Follow that six to seven servings of grains a day recommendation and then cut that all out and see how you feel. I don't know man Cute diagram. It was fun to color in when you were in school, but it was like most of the public education system it's propaganda and lies.

Speaker 1: 20:42

Yeah, I don't know. We may have been cut from the same bolt of cloth, zach, I'm not sure, but I think you and I have definitely chewed some of the same dirt here and so you've. You know you're working with this group that basically teaches holistic health. You focus on cancer, but really it has a broader applicability to basically people in general. And what have been the results that you've seen Transformations, people who you know get involved with one of your holistic health coaches. What's their typical experience like? And again, you know, I understand there's a lot of disclaimers we have to offer and things like that. All of that understood, give us something anecdotal that we can go on.

Speaker 4: 21:19

Yeah. So you know, the caveat is that we are simply an educational organization. We are not a treatment center, we are not medical advisors. We simply provide and point to educational resources and information that everyone as a sovereign individual can then, by themselves or with their doctors, whatever analyze and assess what's the best course of action for them. That said, I mean yeah, I mean we've been around for 47 years and there's certainly no shortage of people who they themselves say they owe their life to the information that we've pointed them to.

Speaker 4: 21:57

And you know, there's people that got cancer and their doctors scared the life out of them and told them they were going to die in six months. And well, look at that, 10 years later, they're still here. There's people that got cancer and got it cut out of them and it came back, wouldn't you know? Because they didn't actually address the root cause. Then it came back and it came back and then suddenly they started addressing themselves in a holistic way and addressing the kind of things that we talk about, wouldn't you know? No evidence of cancer from then on out. You know it's. There's no shortage of stories. We have to be careful, exactly what we we call success stories, but there's a reason we're still here, you know.

Speaker 1: 22:41

Yeah, I mean, if you were failing or even having marginal results, you wouldn't have lasted 47 years. I think the proof is self-evident right there. As an average person who might think of this and hear this program and go. You know, this holistic health thing. It sounds like something I should do. It sounds like something I should do. You know, aside from getting with a coach and working through that, what are some more practical things that average people can do to integrate, you know, holistic health practices into their own life?

Speaker 4: 24:11

Well, one of the favorite things is hop it on our weekly calls, 7 pm Eastern Standard Time. Every Thursday, we have a Zoom call and that's just such an open forum discussion. Every Thursday, we have a Zoom call and that's just such an open forum discussion and that's a great way to immerse yourself in a community and really just get your questions and topics of interest covered by our staff and some of our coaches that attend. I guess the first thing to do would be you have to change your mindset and mentality with which you approach everything in life and understand that the default in all things is harmful. The default in all aspects of life is harmful, and you've been lied to in some way about it.

Speaker 4: 24:54

That has every application, whether we're talking about food and we're talking about water, we're talking about body products, we're talking about clothing, we're talking about household cleaners and products, and so I think the best thing for someone to do is just to pick one of those things, figure out what's going on with it, figure the healthy alternative, get that down, move on to the next one, and in that way you don't necessarily get so overwhelmed and you can make changes step by step.

Speaker 4: 25:28

Um, but yeah, when you view it, life, through a lens of literally the default of anything and everything is harmful. You can just start to look at what you interact with on a day-to-day basis and then consider where that stands in that spectrum. You know the default cookware, the default everything. So that's a great way to implement things if you're a self-starter and self-researcher. But, of course, coming around the community of like-minded individuals and individuals that just want to see the world be healthy, such as you can find in our weekly calls and our assorted community programs, that's a great way. We have blog articles you could read through. Those are all free, but yeah, just a general lens of consciousness with which you approach the world. That's, I guess, the first step.

Speaker 1: 26:15

You know what's really striking to me about that? What you said is what it really comes down to and I've heard this answer from many guests on many different topics but it comes down to really intentionality having some intention about what it is that you're doing rather than just blindly, as you said, doing the default. Take some commitment and work. It's certainly not something that's easy, but it pays off in so many ways, whether it's holistic health or just generally improving your mood or relationship or life in general. But being intentional about what it is that you're doing, I think, goes a long way. And the other thing that you're doing is you've got a podcast, also called the Health Kings Court. Right, that's correct. What is that all?

Speaker 4: 27:00

about. That's correct. But yeah, and thank you for asking about it, I just want to touch on what you just said because it's so fantastic, it's such a critical point. Health is not a lazy man's game, right, health is not an easy thing. It takes work. All things that are good in life take work to achieve, but then also to maintain. It's never ending and everlasting work. Now it gets easier the more you come to comprehend things and you can just by default, start to make healthier choices and those things become your default instead of the unhealthy choices.

Speaker 4: 27:32

It is a front heavy venture to change your life with holistic health in mind. But yes, it is and always will be work. So if you are not willing to put in the work, if you're going to look for quick fix things like and just think, oh well, uh, what supplement can I take to what and what you know supplement can I pop to do this and think that that's actually how health works? There's a lot more going on than that and you're not going to have a good time. So, yes, absolutely put in the work. Health Things Court Ancient Wisdom. Modern Health is the latter half of the name.

Speaker 1: 28:07

I love that.

Speaker 4: 28:07

And in it I go in a variety of holistic health and wellness topics. I cover anything that is in regards to living a healthy and fulfilled and, by extension, happy and enjoyable existence. So I've talked about all these things that we've talked about already and more. I've had guests talking about anything from biological dentistry to sexual abuse, trauma to. I've had, of course, several of our holistic cancer coaches on. I've had a gut health specialist on. I've had people with some fantastic products on. Yeah, I've had relationship coaches on a divorce transformation coach. I mean anything that's in regards to living a healthy and fulfilled existence. I'm talking about it, and that's physical health, mental health, emotional health, spiritual health, relationship health, family unit health and anything in between.

Speaker 1: 29:04

So, yeah, that's that podcast, and I want to encourage my listeners to check out that podcast because I think it's something that will really resonate with them. It certainly does with me. You know, anything that you can do to start making healthier and more fulfilled life choices is a great thing to do. Just to remind everybody and to let my guest know he may not realize this about a month I guess a little over a month ago I made a decision to start dropping pounds and in the last 30 days I've lost 30 pounds, and so I'm practicing. What I'm preaching is, I guess, what I'm saying Got a long way to go, but I'm practicing. What I'm preaching is, I guess, what I'm saying I got a long way to go, but you know, I'm trying to live a healthier and better life, and one of the things that I've been able to do that has helped me do that is again going back to that intentionality.

Speaker 1: 29:52

What is it that I'm putting in my? I call it. You know, what am I putting in my pie hole here? What am I shoving down my neck? What am I putting in my pie hole here? What am I shoving down my neck? And in a lot of cases in the past, it was absolute junk man, and it has not been easy by any means, but it certainly has been worth it. I think if more folks got on the bandwagon of recognizing that, as you said it earlier perfectly, it's all about inputs are going to equal outputs and I mean that's just common sense, right, but it escapes so many people because we get lost in, like the minutia of life, you know, and it just becomes easier to do this, and that's part of the programming that media has done to us. Yeah, it's a lot easier to go down to McDonald's and grab a hamburger than it is to make a salad in your kitchen or things like that. I'm sure that's some of the stuff that you're advocating on your podcast too.

Speaker 4: 30:45

Yeah, absolutely. And it's funny, man, because life is pay me now or pay me later, and you're going to pay at some point. People think that it's easier to just do the in the now lazy thing of again going with these default or quick fix options, but you end up paying with your health in the end and often when your health goes, it ends up being more expensive later. You got to pay later, you know. So what is.

Speaker 4: 31:12

I don't understand people who don't invest time and energy and even money in their health, because without that first, you genuinely have nothing else, and people don't understand the impact that living healthily has on everything else in life. We hear people say, oh, I don't have time, I'm busy with my work or busy with my business, or I don't have time to look into that. Well, you can give your body the due time now, or you can ignore it and ignore it and ignore it, and the body can take a lot of abuse. We've been blessed with these beautiful and resilient bodies, but it can only take so much until it demands that time and attention in the form of getting sick and unwell in various capacities.

Speaker 4: 32:00

Yeah, so my main point was that when you transform yourself and live better and lose those pounds and put on muscle and just overall have a better internal state of health, you operate more efficiently and more effectively in all other endeavors.

Speaker 1: 32:22

That's exactly right.

Speaker 4: 32:23

Exactly Can exponentially increase how much work you can get done and everything else.

Speaker 1: 32:28

I'll tell you what, for me, was a big eye opener. Up until earlier this year, I had been obese, fat, but everything else looked good. My vitals were good, my blood was good, I had really good cholesterol. But it was just what you said, zach. It was like my body took it and took it and took it, and I didn't have this gradual decline. I just dropped one day and nearly died and it was just boom. I woke up that morning feeling normal. I'm not going to say that I felt great, because I never felt great, but I felt normal. And by that evening I was in the hospital and had a pulmonary embolism and that was my wake-up call.

Speaker 1: 33:10

And I always joke around hey, what was my 55, 56? I always get that confused. I always joke hey, if I'd known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself. Here's the thing, man. I want to die a really old man. I tell my kids I'm a life pig, I'm spending your inheritance, you're going to be left my debt and my broken dreams, so plan on that. But I want to be around a really long time. And unless you know, if you're listening to this program and you're in an unhealthy situation and you're like, yeah, I know I'm unhealthy, but you know I'm okay. Man, don't tempt fate, because it could be that situation for you too, where you're fine, you're fine, you're fine, and then you're not fine and you're and you're dead.

Speaker 4: 33:54

Yeah, that word is one is one of my least favorite words. It actually pisses me off the word I'm fine yeah Phrase, I'm fine, because anyone who says it is just lying, no sure, is just simply unaware of how not fine they are. People have this equation of, if they haven't yet dropped dead, that they are quote fine Right, but meanwhile they, I don't know get headaches all the time. Their chest hurts, they can't, you know, their left arm spazzes up and they can't digest this food, that food. They have allergies. They can't go outside without, I don't know, an inhaler. All this garbage Like you're not fine. Anyone who says they are fine is not fine. There is no fine. You're either well or you are unwell. There's no neutral Fine is a lie.

Speaker 1: 34:37

There's no neutral, yeah, you can't be like oh, I'm fine, what's wrong? Salt and pepper kicked my ass, but I'm fine. You know what's wrong with you. I walked from the bedroom. Give me five minutes, I'll be okay. That's not fine. That's not good for anybody. Hey, Zach, I'm having a lot of fun with this and with you, but this is a really serious topic and probably ought to dial it in a little bit. I want to make sure that we cover everything that you think is important. You're a nice person, You're fun to talk to and you have a great sense of humor, but we're dealing with a serious topic. What are we missing? What are we leaving out? Where do we go from here?

Speaker 4: 35:12

In regards to what man I mean. There's so many ways that we can go. We can talk about, of course, beat cancer, or we can continue to talk about, of course, beat cancer, or we can continue to talk about societal issues at large. Ideally, there would be no beat cancer. Ideally, there would be zero function that we'd serve in society, because everyone would just be well.

Speaker 1: 35:26

Yeah, well, let's talk about society, because I think that's going to have the broadest application and that can help people afflicted with cancer and people that aren't afflicted with cancer.

Speaker 4: 35:36

So Well, so we could talk about, you know, just the overall mental model of cancer and in general, because it relates to what you were talking about earlier, in that, yeah, we are a cancer centric organization, but in general we are just a health organization because cancer isn't some random thing, right, despite what the common person has been led to believe, cancer isn't just some random you know bug from the sky that bites you and now you have it. Just some random. You know bug from the sky that bites you and now you have it. Cancer isn't also, you know it also isn't just some genetic destiny that, oh well, your family has cancer, you're gonna get cancer. It's a cause or it's an effect, and that effect has causes. There's nothing in this life is random, nothing in this life is out of our control in some capacity. And so, yeah, it breaks down what cancer is.

Speaker 4: 36:24

What is cancer? Cancer is our own cells that have mutated, that's it. And there's different types. There's different cells in different areas of the body and different specific ways that those mutations look, but that's it. It's our own cells that are sick. So when you understand that, you understand that cancer is inherently a natural biological function of the body when it receives mal-input, unhealthy input. And when you understand that, you understand that anything that is quote anti-cancerous or would help heal cancer or help prevent cancer, all of these things are just good health habits in the first place, and all things that are in general unhealthy, in some capacity they're going to add unhealthiness and unwellness to the body. They're going to contribute, I guess, in the long run, to cancer in some way shape or form. Cancer is just what happens when our own body and our own specific areas of our body just can't take it anymore. It can't tuck away any more toxins in that area of the body, it can't deal with the emotional chaos that we're putting and running through our body and it just can't take it anymore.

Speaker 1: 37:47

I had this perspective while you were describing that as something that really makes sense to me and maybe it'll make sense to some other people. Outside of this program I deal in cybersecurity and tech and things like that and engineering, and it almost sounds like from what you're saying, cancer is the body's response to something that is wrong. There's some kind of imbalance and your body's kind of working through its systems and programs to correct that imbalance and then, you know, on occasion it kind of decides. I think the problem is the body. I'm going to attack the body, I don't.

Speaker 1: 38:22

You know, in some ways I get it that sometimes there's very different causes and things like that, but it's like something is happening from all the crap that I've given my body and now my cells are basically rebelling and doing things that are ultimately damaging to me or certain systems and maybe even could kill me if it goes untreated. If that's the case, then it seems like if we change again, going back to the inputs, equal outputs, if we change the inputs and provided it's caught soon enough, we can reverse that, and that's just my speculation. I don't know, Maybe that's the whole basis of what it is you're doing. I have no idea.

Speaker 4: 39:03

Yeah, there's kind of two primary inputs that we talk about in regards to cancer and really in regards to various ailments, but there's physical inputs I guess two categories, I guess I should say. There's physical inputs, and this is in regards to all the things that we talked about previously the food, the water, what kind of air are you breathing, what are you wearing, what are you slathering your body with, just all the physical, environmental toxins that we might be exposed to on a day-to-day basis. But then there's also the energetic and more emotional and spiritual side of things, because when that's not right, that'll very much make you unwell just as quickly, if not faster, than the physical side, and that's something that is very much make you unwell just as quickly, if not faster, than the physical side. And that's something that is very much a fundamental part of our course curriculum and what we talk about in general through our counseling and just through our community.

Speaker 4: 39:52

Because energy is strong, energy is very strong and emotions are energy. Energy is very strong and emotions are energy. Traumas that word turns people off sometimes, but think of trauma as just extreme energetic charge, a negative energetic charge. And energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed or moved around and when we don't have healthy ways of purging strong negative charge, it goes somewhere. It's built up energy in our body. It goes somewhere and our body actually tucks away specific emotional charges that are left unresolved in specific areas and organs of our body.

Speaker 4: 40:40

And this is something that's not only been studied in modern science and has you know studies to talk about it, but has been known, for you know, in other civilizations for a long time with the language, such as chakras or energy meridians or energy centers. Specific types of emotional events get stored in specific areas and tucked away in specific areas of the body and just like a physical toxin and poison that accumulates in an area can eventually turn those cells sour and turn those cells cancerous. If that negative, strong energetic charge of energy is left in an area of the body, that can very much contribute to damage of our cells. All the same, yeah, it's very fascinating how specific instances of cancer, specific types of cancer in different organs, have been shown to be significantly correlated with specific types of emotional events in someone's life. It's fascinating.

Speaker 1: 41:44

And the fact is, our mind, our brains, our bodies are amazing and so often our body follows our mind. And so I think what you're saying is, if we can get our thinking correct, if we can get those emotional traumas healed, if we can start getting our energy aligned accordingly, then our body's going to fall in line for the most part, some kind of toxin. And now you have lung cancer. That's different. Those are exceptional circumstances because you nailed an asbestos or something like that.

Speaker 1: 42:18

I've seen as a paramedic. I've seen people who, by the sheer determination of their will, held on to life until a loved one got there so they could say goodbye, and then they died. And there was. You know, I'm looking at them. I, you know, I had some fairly significant, you know medical training as a paramedic in the pre-hospital environment and I'm looking at them going how are you alive right now? And it was because they willed themselves to stay alive until their wife or their husband got there or until they could, you know, tell, you know somebody? Hey, this is what happened to me, this is who did it, that kind of thing. Our minds are amazing and I've seen that firsthand, and so this just kind of goes right along with that. I mean there's all kinds of teachings about that, as you said, qigong, tai Chi, stuff like that, but it all kind of focuses around the same concept of internal energy large, you know, even going beyond the specific types of traumas and emotional events in someone's life.

Speaker 4: 43:24

This really goes to the chronic sickness of society, like I was referring to earlier, in that most people don't live lives that they even feel are worth living wow, that's sad people are, I would say, just fundamentally beat down and broken by the ways of the world.

Speaker 4: 43:45

And you know the just lack of community and lack of family units and lack of support and the ridiculous economy. You know, like most people I feel, if they were really honest with themselves, aren't at all fulfilled with their life. I think a lot of people are just chugging along, going through the motions, trying to survive a day and live to see another, so they can go wake up and do stuff that they hate. You know, and I think that's simultaneously while we're experiencing additional physical poisons along the way, it's no surprise and no shock that people are so fundamentally unwell Because, like you were saying, if you don't even have a will to live, your body's going to follow and it's not even going to try anymore, and I think a lot of people are experiencing that. And it's not even going to try anymore, and I think I think a lot of people are experiencing that.

Speaker 1: 44:43

And here's the other thing that really makes me sad is most people think that their miserable state is normal. They've been programmed to believe this. This is how this is, that's life, that's normal, and they don't want, and they don't even want, to take the proactive steps that they could or should take to improve themselves. Because you know why, bother, this is the way it's supposed to be. My parents were miserable, my grandparents were miserable, I'm miserable and I've got miserable kids, and we're miserable. And I think that's what you're talking about, right, the sickness of society.

Speaker 4: 45:16

But here's the thing that's not normal, yeah, and I think we, you know we and I'm including myself we need to wake up, yeah, and I think there's a. There's always different things going on at the same time. I think, you know, while that's going on, I think there's also been an overcorrection where people think that it's attainable or even aspirational to be in some happy, happy, joy, joy state all the time, because that's absolutely not possible either and striving for that is actually responsible for a lot of the hedonism and negative behavior that we see and feeling of failure when that's not ultimately achievable. To be happy all the time, I think that's that mental model and the glamorization of that. I don't know, was it Bob? It bob marley? Oh, what do you want to be when you grow up? I want to be happy. Like that's not a thing. You know you can't actually be happy.

Speaker 4: 46:09

That is a temporary emotion and as an adult, and even particularly an adult man, I think it's gendered. That's not aspirational at all. If you strive to be happy, you will not ever achieve, because along the way of achievement comes a lot of stuff that is not very happy if you. I think happy is more a byproduct than it is a goal. So even people that are trying to attend attend, you know, attend to their mental health. I think that's the common path that people take, trying to be happy all the time, and I think that's absolutely a false path as well, because there is no dark without light, and I think experiencing the full spectrum of emotions is what's beautiful about life, and I think, like you were saying so, perfectly understanding if I feel unhappy or unfulfilled more than I do otherwise. What action can I take to change that? That's the key word the action.

Speaker 1: 47:08

Yeah, because, right, if the pendulum swings all the way to the opposite side, that's not balance either. It's Pollyanna, it's pie in the sky and it's not obtainable unless you're on some really strong drugs. Probably, right, exactly that's what it leads to. Yeah, but I think it's more about not so much being happy but being content, being settled and being intentional about how you live your life. To me, that's where I'm trying to be what. What about you?

Speaker 4: 47:38

I think fulfillment, fulfillment and proud pride are my kind of beacons that I aim for. I aim to live each day in a way that I can be proud of and a way that fulfills me. To me, I like to see okay, I advanced on this front of my life, or this front or this front, or all of the above or some of each, on any given day, and so, yeah, I think fulfillment is the ultimate beacon for me.

Speaker 1: 48:12

Yeah, and you know, the other thing that I do and I recommend to a lot of people that I talk to, is, you know, you work on yourself. That's good, but every day, or you know, dedicate some time every day or every week or, you know, however often you can to working on something that's bigger and bigger than yourself, something that's going to outlast you and kind of, you know, give back to the world if you will. And for you know, for me it might be writing for, for others it might, others it might be doing something totally different, but it's something that is going to last beyond my lifetime. When my grandkids or great-grandkids think about hey, what was pop like, they can point to this or that thing and say this is what pop was about.

Speaker 1: 48:57

That's just kind of how I live my life too about, you know, and that's just kind of how I live my life too, and and, as you said, to to be fulfilled, to find that middle ground, that balance, that that moderate mainline where you know, yeah, it rains on the just, it rains on the unjust. Bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people. But you know, I'm not just a miserable lump and I'm not this oh, I'm so happy. This is awesome. You know guy either.

Speaker 4: 49:25

Yeah, you know, it made me uh, well, you were just saying I was laughing because it made me think of the uh, I don't know what it was, but there was a concept of BS jobs and that most people have BS jobs.

Speaker 4: 49:35

You know, oh, I'm a data analysis of this and that, or I'm a this manager of this, and that People are doing things that just aren't even real and aren't even necessary, and most people know that.

Speaker 4: 49:48

And so, yeah, that's why, if that is your job unless you're going to change career if it's not actually something that is deeply meaningful and allows you to have a creative expression outlet and actually contributes to the good of humanity, that's the importance of hobbies and that's the importance of finding things to do outside of that career that can give you that. Because I think you know we as humans have an inner desire to contribute to the world, exactly like you were saying, and to leave the world better than we found it, and that can come in many forms. That can come in the form of external projects, but that can also come in the form of just raising a fantastic family. A lot of people don't even pour into that cup enough. They just send their children off to school for the government to indoctrinate and leave them at the whim of a tablet and gaming systems and the internet when they get home, and that's that you know. They're not actually creating good children and contributing members to society.

Speaker 4: 50:47

And yeah yeah, it's uh, so yeah that I think people lack a fulfilling purpose or thing to work on, and so I would advise everyone to to to find one and again, and so I would advise everyone to find one and again. That could just mean giving your all to making good and healthy children. That changes the world.

Speaker 1: 51:09

It does. It does in a very real and tangible way. I don't want to get in your business, but what is on your list of things? What's next in your world? What are you working on?

Speaker 4: 51:20

Internet conquest man.

Speaker 4: 51:22

I want to keep going on the podcast and make that a very worldwide known thing and take that very far, and I'm very blessed to have recently I've had some team members join my team and advance my cause because they believe in me and so just going to get that podcast out. I got plenty of episodes already recorded waiting to go out. I got short form content being created. Now I'm looking to get some medium form content out to rope in more people and, yeah, that very much is meaningful to me because I know it's a fantastic show and it's only getting better to whoever listens. That, again, can genuinely be used to improve the listeners' lives or the lives of those that they know and are around them and listen to them.

Speaker 4: 52:08

I want to provide the opportunity for more people to hear what they need, to become activated, to make changes in their life, to be better people and be more on the side of good and more on the side of L, because there's too much contributing to the contrary. But beyond that, Beat Cancer is obviously fantastic and we are firing on all cylinders and we're just growing by the day and expanding the community there and having more participatory coaches and students coming around to that community. That's super cool. Then we have improvements that we're making to the course. There we're currently overhauling the entire educational course. We're revamping the videos, adding more lessons, adding more modules, cleaning up the website there's always something to attend to there to just make that a better, more user-friendly and more all-inclusive um. You know organization and experience there. So you know those are the two fronts that I'm attacking life with on and doing them as quickly as I can, and that's awesome and my very much congratulations on.

Speaker 1: 53:16

On the podcast I'm going to. I'm going to change your title from the health king to the health king of all media. So watch out, stern Zach is on your tail, man, he's coming after you?

Speaker 4: 53:27

Yeah, my goal with the podcast is to be the number one holistic health and wellness podcast without a sole, sole host, because there's a lot of seemingly compromised individuals out there that are perpetuated to the masses, and my promise to the world is that I'll never sell out, I'll never push garbage, I'll never give in to anything that wants to lessen the authenticity and overall positivity of my messaging.

Speaker 1: 54:02

Yeah, it's like that concept of you know, I've got this glass of water, would you like to drink it? Sure, I put one little drop of spit in it. Well, I don't want any of it because it's contaminated, Even if it has one molecule of spit. I don't want it. It's that thing. So don't dilute or contaminate your message. I love that concept of just keeping it real.

Speaker 4: 54:20

And that said, you know, am I always correct on every single thing I say on a podcast all the time? Absolutely not. You know I make mistakes, sometimes I might be misinformed, sometimes I might learn better along the way, and you know I'll always own up to that. There's been plenty of things I've been incorrect about that I was so naive to say I was sure of in the past. But you know, I just I incorrect about that. I was so naive to say I was sure of in the past. But I'm just having the conversations that have to be had and bringing them to the people. They could do it.

Speaker 1: 54:47

Zach, that's part of your journey and that's the thing as I'm learning about you. That's the thing that I really like is you're authentic, you're keeping it real and you put your flag in the ground. You're like, at this point in time, this is what I know and this is what I believe and this is what I'm going to advocate, and later on, if you find out you're wrong, you admit it, you fix it and you move on. I mean, nobody's perfect. At the end of the day, we're all on a journey somewhere. We're all learning.

Speaker 4: 55:22

And if somebody's you know yet buddy, but none of us are, and that's the thing.

Speaker 1: 55:23

So hats off to you. Take my hat off, thank you. Thank you, man. Hey, anything else? Before we close up, anything else you'd like to leave Final thoughts? And also, we're going to make sure we get all of your URLs and resources and podcasts on our guest resource page.

Speaker 4: 55:33

Love it. Thank you, man, you know closing thoughts, I just like to leave people with a message of empowerment, and you know there's always light that comes with dark and dark that comes with light. I advocate for all people taking responsibility for where they are at in life, in all realms, whether that be financial, health-wise relationships, anything. I think the more we understand that, especially as men, everything in our lives is our fault, that, especially as men, everything in our lives is our fault, the more we take that onus of responsibility, the more we get the other side as well, the light that is empowered to do something about it. And if you're still alive, you're still in the game. You might have a bad hand due to your own playing of your hand or whatever you were dealt in life, I don't know but you, anyone at a poker table can win, doesn't matter who has the best cards, it matters how you play them. And I genuinely think that if all people did their best not lied to themselves that you know they think they're doing their best. Meanwhile they spend time scrolling on tiktok and watching movies. If all people genuinely spent their man hours at their waking hours, their energy, their life force advancing themselves in some way at all times. Well, how can you lose? You can't you know?

Speaker 4: 57:00

And I think that everything that we get in life is is in accordance to what we put into life, and I think life is very fair, I think God is very good and I think we can do and achieve and be better than we are when we wake up. But that's up to us. And, uh, I would love to see more people advancing on their mission. I would like to see more people finding a community of people that are doing the same, because when you're trying to do it all alone, it's very lonely and it's easy to fall off, because humans are social and tribal creatures. And I would say find your tribe. Continue to seek out wonderful things like this podcast and other podcasts and other communities that you can just interact with, because the more you absorb that energy and interact with people that are living lives more similar to that which you like to live, the faster you'll get there too. I love what you said.

Speaker 1: 57:58

I agree with everything you said. I have nothing to add. You said it so well. So thank you, zachariah, for being on the program. Again, we're going to post all of your resources on our guest resource page. It was a really great honor to speak with you. To remind our listeners, we'll pick back up on Monday. Of course, we're off Saturday and Sunday. I hope you have a great weekend. Go do something intentional. Go make your world a little bit better. Keep the blue side up and check back in for the next episode on monday. Take care, this is the patrick bass show signing off thanks for listening to the patrick bass show.

Speaker 2: 58:29

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Speaker 1: 59:15

Okay, we're clear.

Speaker 4: 59:17

Alright, I love your.