Strategic Evolution for Global Harmony: Jeffrey Charles Hardy on Healthcare Planning and World Peace on The Patrick Bass Show

Ever wondered how healthcare planning can pave the way for world peace? Join us as we sit down with Jeffrey Charles Hardy, a healthcare visionary with over 40 years of experience, who unpacks this revolutionary idea. Discover the concept of the "second human evolution" and learn why strategic planning and collective action are crucial to overcoming global challenges like climate change and resource over-consumption. Hardy offers a fresh perspective on moving from our state of suspended evolution to a unified approach that fosters global harmony.

In our engaging conversation, we tackle the pressing issues of our time, from global warming to population migration. Hardy draws fascinating parallels between hospital pre-planning processes and the strategic steps needed to address these immense challenges. We discuss the importance of a unified perception and the power of communication in driving collective progress. By reflecting on historical and potential future evolutions, we explore how humanity can transition to a more sustainable and organized future.

Finally, Hardy shares poignant stories from his time as a hospital corpsman trainee, illustrating the profound connection between care and peace. He introduces us to his book, "To Care for Peace: A Global Mandate to Secure the Second Human Evolution in Perpetuity," and emphasizes the critical role of public education in promoting respectful discourse and societal cohesion. Tune in to find out how effective communication and a genuine commitment to care can inspire world peace and a more harmonious future for all.

Chapters

• 0:27 Promoting World Peace Through Healthcare Evolution
• 14:08 Planning for World Peace Through Discussion
• 22:02 Human Evolution and World Peace
• 32:44 Advancing Human Evolution Through Planning
• 41:38 Caring for Peace Through Communication
• 55:04 Talking About Human Evolution

Transcript

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Bass Show Ladies and gentlemen, today we have a truly exceptional guest. I want you to imagine, I want you to go to a special place and imagine world peace. Let me set the stage. It's it world peace, not just a distant dream, but a tangible reality, a world where our evolution as a species takes a monumental leap forward. My guest today is Jeffrey Charles Hardy, and he believes that this is not only possible and essential for our survival, but something that we can achieve. He's got over four decades of groundbreaking work in healthcare and humanitarian efforts. He's seen firsthand the challenges that humanity faces, and he's got a book called To Care for Peace, a global mandate to secure the second human Evolution in Perpetuity. Welcome to the program, jeffrey Charles Hardy. How are you doing, sir?

Speaker 4: 4:37

Hey Patrick, I'm doing great. I think you are too.

Speaker 1: 4:40

I already am listening to you, I'm doing good, I'm happy to be here and I'm happy to have you on the program. So tell us what this is all about. How can we?

Speaker 4: 4:50

achieve peace. Tell us what this is all about. How can we achieve peace? Well, first of all, I am a 50-year veteran healthcare facility planner. So whenever you see a hospital being built, I've got about $6 billion worth of hospitals in the United States as well as outside the country that I've been in charge of the process of building. So I'm very focused on process and when I was most recently in Myanmar building a remote clinic and community development health center, I was looking at the rest of the world and I was listening to what was going on and even watching some television shows over in Myanmar, what was going on in the world, and I said, well, now how are we going to deal with all these global crises, these global problems like you know, climate change, you name it. Like climate change, you name it and how are we going to be able to do that in such a way that we get everybody together and we all talk about it and we move forward, just the way I plan healthcare facilities?

Speaker 4: 6:06

So I was thinking about the way we need to plan what I'm now calling the second human evolution and getting into that headspace, I had to think about okay, well, this is the second human evolution. What would the first human evolution be? And I realized that we already went through the first human evolution. That began two and a half million years ago and ended sometime I don't know between the 50s and the 60s of the last millennium, and it's when we finally conquered nature. Humanity could blow each other up too. I mean we had the whole nuclear mutually assured destruction, but also some good things were happening when France started the existential movement not France itself, but you've got Sartre, you've got a bunch of other existentialism that started the thinking towards the knowledge of hey, look at where we are right now. We know we didn't get plunked down here, we're just right here and what are we going to do? That's the existential movement. And then we had the peace movement starting, and that was a global effort too. So the end of the first human evolution was also the beginning of positive thinking for what the future might be.

Speaker 4: 7:31

But now we're in what I call the suspended human evolution and we're flopping around. I mean we're just like a fish on deck or like a bunch of passengers who've just been thrown overboard on a ship that's capsized. I mean just thrashing around. That's where we're at right now, because we've got people who want to do good in the world, but we also have these wars going on and we've got some pretty scary dictators and dictator wannabes who are out there just making it difficult getting our minds away from where they were during the first human evolution.

Speaker 4: 8:11

So I wrote a book because we got kicked out of Myanmar right before we were going to be building these other clinics. So I wrote a book. That was okay. These are the tools I use when I'm designing a hospital. I'm going to share them with you, and I'm going to share four templates that I wrote over a 50-year period that can be used to start thinking about where we are as individuals, where we are in relation to each other, where we are in our balancing of the first and second human evolution perceptions and then, finally, our organizational template for how we can proceed.

Speaker 4: 8:56

Now, one of the things that I really wanted to make sure of is that we didn't fail like we failed before. In my healthcare planning process. I've learned a lot. Over the first 30 years, I I made more mistakes than anybody, and every time I made a mistake, I learned from it, and every time I do something another facility I get better and better and better and I ended up not being perfect but, my God, making new mistakes and really honing it to the point where I felt comfortable that I could use it for the rest of my life and I did, and it was absolutely wonderful. So I think that what we have to do is we have to look at the process together.

Speaker 4: 9:43

Now, one of the things that's very important to me is we've got to back up, we've got to look at where we've been, and one of the where we've been is Karl Marx. Ok, everybody's saying communism and Karl Marx. Well, karl Marx made a major mistake, or I feel he made a major mistake by just saying to everyone according to their ability excuse me, their need from everyone according to their ability. The problem is there's no spiritual balance. So the third template that I wrote, after the first template, which is a personal template, just just me, you and I it's the individual person.

Speaker 4: 10:19

The second template, which was relational, it's how we interact with each other. But the third one is what I call the cultural template, and it's because we have to balance that physical that we need to give to each other. We need to be able to serve and to be served, but we also have to think about the spiritual aspects, because even this day, in the secular climate that we have, we have people who want to have a reason, a reason for what they're doing. They feel better. I feel better when I have a reason.

Speaker 4: 10:57

I'm retired right now and guess what? My reason today is to be able to convey the tools and the joy of the process, and that the process right now is the solution. It's not the system, it's the process. And the most important thing to me is what you, patrick, are doing, because you are talking to people all over the world. You're talking to people in many walks of life. You're talking to experts all over. You have a breadth and depth that no politician has, because if you're a Democrat at the Democratic Convention, you've got all your Democrat friends who are out there. If you're a Republican it was at the Republican you got all your Republican friends out there. No, you have an apolitical breadth and depth. That is what I am interested in connecting with, because if we're going to design what I call a global nation, then it's going to start with a global communication formula.

Speaker 1: 13:13

That is the solution to the problem of the lack of tools to be able to design the second human evolution. Wow, that's a lot to take in. First off, thanks for your vote of confidence. I really do appreciate that, although I'm not entirely sure I deserve it, but that is quite a lot to take in. So let me try and break this down, because I was taking notes as you were, uh, talking. And so the the first, the first human evolution really spans from the dawn of time, uh, to about the mid 60s, and it's, um, uh, categorizedized by humanity conquering nature and our ability basically to destroy each other. Yeah, okay, now we're in the second evolution, which is suspended, is that right?

Speaker 4: 14:00

The suspended human evolution. Okay, that's the middle one.

Speaker 1: 14:05

Okay, so let me see if I can break this down a little bit. The second evolution, which is suspended what are the challenges really that you see, that it presents to humanity and limits our ability to move forward?

Speaker 4: 14:21

Well, the first challenge is how are we communicating and how are we perceiving a situation that is very, very difficult to perceive.

Speaker 4: 14:33

I mean, what's this global warming stuff? You know, the seas, the ice shelves are breaking up down in Antarctica. I mean, there's something that's so darn huge we can't even fathom it right here on our planet. This is not astrophysics or anything. It's just a bunch of ice that broke off from the Ross Ice Shelf and is floating around now. No, it's just it's out there. And then we've got the seas rising. And what do we do with Florida? Because Florida is going to be inundated with water as the seas rise.

Speaker 4: 15:07

Look at the problem that we have with the climate migration that's occurring from North Africa on these boats that are capsizing when they're trying to get to the northern parts of the Mediterranean. And look at the people who are trying to cross our border between Mexico and the United States. But when I was in Asia, there were similar problems with people on boats going from one country to the next trying to get out. We've got a major population migration problem in the world. How do we deal with these? Well, we need to have a common language. We need to see things in the same way.

Speaker 4: 15:49

Now, my example of that is when I start a planning process to design a brand new hospital. You got the bare lot out there. Nothing's on it. Well, I get a bunch of people together. Do you think we start talking? No, we start walking. We go and take a look at other hospitals all over. If we have to hop into an airplane, we do. All of my planning team sees the same thing together and that's the most important thing, and this is called the pre-planning process. It's not even planning, it's pre-planning.

Speaker 4: 16:24

We go look at a whole bunch of ICUs an ICU in one area, one hospital, an intensive care unit in another hospital. We go take a look at a cancer center in one place and a cancer center somewhere else, and then we can together discuss how we perceive these two different cancer centers or these two different intensive care units. And we can discuss well, that's interesting. I'm not so sure I would do an intensive care unit that you can't really see the patients from the nursing station. It's intensive care, shouldn't you be able to see the patient? And oh yeah, well, we went to this other place where both the intensive care unit and the cardiac care unit they had tables in the middle and the nurses could sit around the table and then they could look past each other at the patients who were in their rooms through glass windows. So at no point was patients invisible, not visible at no point.

Speaker 4: 17:28

So I got an idea why don't we build our hospital so that there's no hidden patient? Well, I got really popular with that and when I had my website which no longer exists for system health care, which was my company name, I wrote articles and I did speeches all over the United States and even in Taiwan on what no hidden patient is. No hidden patient. I don't want these long corridors where nurses have to go all the way down, go through a door to see their patient. So the idea is we need to do exactly the same process.

Speaker 4: 18:10

The process is the solution to the problem of communication that you don't have unless you all see the same thing. If you all see and perceive the problem and have a chance to discuss it, then that's the same thing we have to do when we're planning the second human evolution, which has not even begun yet. It doesn't exist. Now, on my templates, I make sure that two of the four templates does compare what I perceive to be the first human evolution and what might be the second human evolution, because it's good to be able to have something that you can bounce your ideas off, say, well, no, hardy, I don't agree with that, I don't. No, I don't agree. We're still in the first human evolution and that's another thing.

Speaker 4: 19:03

Part of the process is comparing how strong you feel about something, so that we aren't just sitting there comparing opinions. No opinions are allowed in this process. You've got to bring your ability to assess, to determine what it is that you're looking at and how valuable it will be for the future. Well, it's basically you know what worked, what doesn't work, what didn't work, what might work. If we do it again, what would we decide? Well, we're not going to do that again. You know it's the Model T problem. No, we want to design a Porsche, but you aren't going to take a Model T and convert it into a Porsche. Take a Model T and convert it into a Porsche.

Speaker 4: 19:48

So there are some things that we have to do in our processing of ideas and observations so that we all see together that's absolutely secret of moving ahead in the design of the second human evolution. And to be perfectly, perfectly succinct, what I'm saying is you have to approach any planning project by standing back and looking at what it is, and the most important thing for us is to have everybody stand back and look at okay, this is the first human evolution, we've defined it. Okay, this is what we think we want to have in the second human evolution, but we aren't there yet. But what's happening right now? Oh my God.

Speaker 4: 20:37

What about those wars that are going on? Oh my gosh. Are we really doing anything about the volcanoes that are blowing in different places like Iceland and Mexico and, of course, in the Indonesian volcano belt? Are we considering all of that stuff? We need to bring these problems to the fore and talk about them. Four and talk about it and global warming and population problem, over-militarization, over-consumption, over-burdening the resources of the planet. There is so much to discuss no-transcript.

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I'm talking to a truly exceptional guest today. He's the visionary leader with over 40 years of experience in healthcare, a man who's not only developed hospitals across the globe, but he's now on a mission to reshape the future of humanity. Jeffrey Charles Hardy and I have been chatting today and let's talk about the current problems humanity. Jeffrey Charles Hardy and I have been chatting today and let's talk about the current problems that we're in, and I'll just kind of lay it out as I see it. You may have a different opinion, but we are in a very divisive atmosphere.

Speaker 1: 23:25

I think you know there's this whole concept of left versus right Muslims, jews, blacks, whites whole concept of left versus right Muslims, jews, blacks, whites. There's just a lot of conflict. In fact, you know, I was born in 69. Basically my entire life, our country has been involved in some kind of military conflict, mostly my whole life. I can't ever remember a time where we just had sustained peace. Now, there's been times, of course, where we've had increased conflict and decreased conflict, certainly, but there's always been some kind of war we've been involved in, or war we're funding, or threat of war, or something you know and I think you might agree about that, and then you know, you think about.

Speaker 1: 24:07

You know, one of the things I remember growing up as a child is we were told there's an ice age coming, and now we're told, you know, we're in global warming, and then later we just called it climate change. There's a lot of confusion. Sometimes I think there's a lot of misinformation, but one thing is certain to me Things are amiss, the world is in turmoil and the concept of peace is very appealing but it seems hard to fathom. Are fascinating because they attempt to quantify and qualify these different phases of humanity and attempts to bring some kind of order to what seems very chaotic. And so the categorization, I think, does tend to make sense. But the question I have is where do we start? The question I have is where do we start, aside from, obviously, you know talking and you know trying to understand one another? That's very broad, I'm not sure where to begin.

Speaker 4: 25:23

Well, if you're academic, you would be starting with some of the existing concepts, the Pleistocene era Then you'd be talking about then that's the one that we're in in general. And then you have the Holocene, which is a geographic term, and then there's the Anthropocene. Okay, now the geographic related terms are not what we're talking about. Terms are not what we're talking about. For example, the Anthropocene is an attempt to define either an event or a whole period that has begun due to human marks on the geography. So it's a relationship. It's the tree rings. You know, we can tell when we all of a sudden had a lot of smog in the world. So that is affected in the tree ring. Okay. And you also have a lake in Canada that has been dredged. There is or they sent a sample down and found out that the sediment in the lake, you can tell exactly when the first nuclear test bomb going off occurred by the sediment that is in the bottom of the lake. That's Anthropocene stuff. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about the human evolution. We're just humans, that's it. And in that you can include in that whole first human evolution how Neanderthals just got wiped out and all of a sudden we have just Homo sapiens. You can talk about the evolution of the elephant. I mean, there's all sorts of information that you can look at from the first human evolution. But we've got to start with the right terms and the right words. So, as I say, if it's from an academic point of view, we've got to make sure we get the academic people talking about just human evolution and not try to tie it to the environment, tie it to the problems that we have in the global and in the environment, because we are going to take care of the environment. That's part of our long-range process of designing the second human evolution, because we have to look at individual, relational and environmental categories of evolving. Those are inexorable. They have to exist in our conversation and in our planning process. But where to start is in the discussion and making sure that we're using the right terms and we are seeing what we need to see together and we're starting to. Okay, this is the way it was. I don't think that we're doing anything less than trying to get our arms around it, but we haven't defined what we're doing. Anything less than trying to get our arms around it, but we haven't defined what we're doing yet. So that's really the first thing. As I say, I know it sounds like I'm schmoozing you, and I am, because what you're doing is something that has got to be extended beyond just our discussion, and I think that's the reason why, all of a sudden, I've been picked up, my concepts have been picked up. I've been blamed or named as the person who coined the three stages of human evolution by MSN News, by USA Today. Even popularics got a hold of. So all of a sudden, thanks to the podcast, these mainstream media people are picking up on this. We're just beginning. We're just beginning. It's not even at the academic level yet.

Speaker 4: 29:28

I'm not an academic guy, I'm a planner. Yet I'm not an academic guy, I'm a planner. You know I was trained by the people who started the Kaiser Health System to design hospitals. They didn't have hospital designing course in college. You know, I was an English major and then I got picked up by the people who had actually started the Kaiser Health Care Program Sid Garfield, dr Sid Garfield, dr Maury Collin and a bunch of other wonderful people who I ended up traveling around the world with my wife designing and helping manage hospitals in places like Curacao, the Bahamas, you name it. I mean, it was just an incredible life, but none of that was academic. So I'm trying to inspire an academic approach, but probably my number one inspiration is to the youth of this world. I want the young people to pick this up and take it away. Take it away from me and take it away. Take it away from me, make it their own, because they're the ones whose futures and their children's futures are reliant of the results of this discussion.

Speaker 4: 30:47

So we are just beginning, as you say. Where do we start? We have already begun. I am proud to say we are using the same terminology for overpopulation. We're using that word now. We aren't afraid of it anymore. We're looking at over-militarization.

Speaker 4: 30:58

When we see the United States, the economist today was talking about how America is going to be making much more, many more nuclear warheads and things. And then, of course, you have climate change. I think that even the naysayers are starting to realize that there's a climate change problem. So it takes a while for people to catch on, and it takes a while even longer for people to get together and say, ok, forget what I said. I forget what I said I was wrong about. There isn't a climate change problem.

Speaker 4: 31:37

I'm there now let's let me join in on the discussion, and I've had several discussions with my exercise group where it's fascinating to see how people they don't change their minds, they advance their thoughts, and I make sure that those are the terms they use how have you advanced your thoughts? From blank, blank. And if they say, well, no, I still believe in this. And the problem is, it's that opinion base that we've got to make sure that we address, because opinions are going to get away in the way from the assessment process, the discussion process, and one of the things that I do, it's a little exercise and it's called From 2, a really sexy title here From 2. It's the From 2 scale title here, afrum 2. It's the Afrum 2 scale and what that means is okay, you brought this discussion about abortion and oh, I believe in abortion. Oh, I don't believe in abortion, I'm pro-choice, I'm pro-life.

Speaker 4: 32:44

And wait a minute, let's back up. Same way, we backed up and looked at the first human evolution, the suspended, where we're in right now, and the one we want to design, the second human evolution. Let's back up and look at population management okay, not even population control. Let's look at what's happening. Let's look at the migration problem, at the incredible problem that we're having in Mali, where Mali, the country of Mali the women are giving birth to so many kids. There's no possible way that the environment can sustain the people. And so what are they doing? Well, they're picking up machetes and killing each other. So you know? So, basically, we've got climate migration, but we also have climate-based killing people. And so let's start with how we are growing our humanity. Let's use terms such as population continuity instead of population control. Let's look at population continuity instead of population control. Let's look at population continuity For me and for my wife.

Speaker 4: 34:01

Each of us figured that we should replicate ourselves. So together we had two children, and after that I got six. So I satisfied the requirement for population continuity at the individual level. Now how do we do this at community level? My father, when he was working for Region 9 in the state of Hawaii public health departments, flew to Pompeii, to Palau, to a bunch of the different islands in Micronesia. Now my father was a associate clinical professor of maternal and child health data management at the University of Hawaii Amazing, I can even say that. But he was going to these islands in Micronesia trying to figure out what to do about the population problem. And you know what His answer was don't do anything. Good God, they've got it under control. They've got midwives that give birth patients to babies. If there's a problem, the midwives take care of it and, you know, let them alone. But that's not the answer to everybody and that's not an answer to every situation, but that's one example of a relational, a community dealing with population continuity. Now, how do you do that at the state level? How do you do that in a regional level? How do you do it for the world? And, believe me, I don't know the answer.

Speaker 4: 35:29

I'm a process guy. When I come to help design a nice big, multimillion-dollar, billion-dollar facility, I don't have to stick around for it being built. That's not my job. My job is to get that process going and get the people who are the planners and that includes owners, operators, nurses, doctors, radiology techs, radiologists, laboratory orchestrate that process and that's my job. So I am passionate about my job and so now that I'm retired, I'm imagining that I might be able to help this job process for designing and planning. Planning and designing the second human evolution, pre-planning that's the most important thing and that's what you and I are doing right now.

Speaker 1: 36:38

Let me ask you, jeffrey, what would signify the start of the second human evolution, or what would signify the end of the suspended human evolution?

Speaker 4: 36:47

Oh, I like how you did that, because you backed up, and that is the hardest thing for people to do. Backing up is the hardest, it's the most difficult. And you just backed up. You said, okay, well, wait a minute.

Speaker 4: 37:01

What would signify the end of the second suspended human evolution? And I think, like all things, there's no line of demarcation. I've had people say well, exactly when did the first human evolution end? Well, I give you an idea of where I think it ended, but it's just an idea. And someone said last week when I was talking to them that they thought Donald Trump and the whole party Republican Party was still way back in the first human evolution. I said you know, I'm not here to talk about that, I'm not here to get political. I'm here to look at the whole process of assessment, not come up with things that are going to become opinions, and that was one of them.

Speaker 4: 37:43

So the end of the suspended human evolution will evolve. It's something that will my favorite word, evolution. It will evolve because little by little, we will get the deal points. Little by little, we will have the ground rules which are very important to any planning process. We've got to have everybody agree on how we will communicate and how we'll take notes and how we'll move this process forward. So it's not as much when the end of suspended human evolution occurs, it's really how do we start this train going and how do we keep it on track? And as we get it going and it goes faster and faster, we can look at this train and we can say, wow, look what we're doing, look how far we've come. Now let's see. Do we need more fuel? Do we need to stop and refuel? What do we need to do to keep this train on track? Because it is moving faster and faster.

Speaker 4: 38:50

And it's getting to the point now where we've got most of the academic institutions in the world realizing that this is something for their studies all over the world. They need to. I'm talking about kindergarten, nursery school, high school. You know A-levels tests, you know I mean England or Dutch, it doesn't matter. This whole thing about the first and second human evolution really needs to be part of the education process. And wow, once that gets going, that's going to be wonderful. And then when we see the valedictorians in high school getting up and speaking about the second human evolution that hasn't come yet, that's another advance in the evolution of the discussion of the suspended human evolution. That now is not a fish flopping around as a deck, but it's. Maybe it's a fish in a frying pan that's good to eat at some point. I don't know what. Yeah, the analogy would be it's a fish in a frying pan, that's good to eat at some point.

Speaker 4: 39:54

I don't know what an allergy would be.

Speaker 1: 39:55

It's really a very fluid process that almost becomes self-evident.

Speaker 4: 40:00

Absolutely, absolutely. And like anything else in the world, when something fails, it can succeed. We can fail to success, and so we're going to be making all sorts of mistakes. Oh my God, when I say that someone's going to hire me to help them with their hospital, and they say, well, why? Why should we hire you and not that other guy over there? And I say, well, probably because I've made a lot more mistakes than he has.

Speaker 1: 40:26

Yeah, that's also called education right.

Speaker 1: 40:31

Yeah, reminds me, I had a fellow that worked for me. He made a particularly bad mistake, uh, that resulted in a lot of catastrophe, and he was afraid I was going to fire him. I told him. I said why would I fire you? You just got a really expensive education and I know for a fact you're never going to do this again. So, no, I'm going to retain you. We've paid for this. Yeah, oh, that's good, jeffrey. Let's talk about the global mandate in peace. You describe a global mandate. I wonder is this functionally different from other global initiatives that have been aimed at peace, or what's different about that?

Speaker 4: 41:14

Well, first of all, we have been using the word peace incorrectly. Peace is not the end of a war, it's not the space between two wars, it's not sitting on top of a mountain with your legs crossed saying, oh, we're looking at a candle burning and trying to center your thoughts while the people down in the valley are all suffering. Peace is two very important things. First of all, it's a feeling. I know the feeling of peace and I know it because when I was a hospital corpsman trainee in the United States Coast Guard Reserves, a fascinating thing happened when I was taking care of the returning wounded soldiers and seamen from Vietnam. I was taking care of them and the process, that is, the solution of taking care of these seamen, was so peaceful, of these seamen, was so peaceful and I was having a peaceful feeling and they were getting a peaceful feeling.

Speaker 4: 42:20

It's a feeling Peace is a wonderful feeling that comes from care. Through care, you can attain peace. That is the definition of the peace that we are seeking. So, once again, we've got to have the right terms, we've got to have the right words so that we can all talk about what it is that we want to do with, who we are, and who we are is what we give with our hearts and with our hands is what we give with our hearts and with our hands.

Speaker 1: 42:54

So the concept of caring for peace is really almost a self-fulfilling prophecy, then.

Speaker 4: 42:59

Ooh, I like that. Oh, you're good, I'm recording this.

Speaker 1: 43:03

You're in trouble. And, by the way, jeffrey, you and I have chewed some of the same dirt. I don't know if you knew that. I didn't know that I was a paramedic and you were a quote. Yeah, that's nice, that's great yeah, but um no, that that occurred to me, you, because you said what is peace? Peace is a feeling that comes from care, caring, and, and, and then you have caring for peace, so that that's really a self-fulfilling prophecy, and that, I think, is a concept that differs, therefore, from simply advocating for peace.

Speaker 4: 43:40

Yes, yes, and the four templates that I have written are called the care for peace templates, because you have to care for your peace for yourself, but you got to care for the peace with other people and that's active care for dynamic peace. Ok, so that's a different take on the feeling of peace, and so when we go to the relational template we look at and, by the way, the templates are all in my book that you can get on Amazon, you know, or you can just go to the front page and you'll see it the feeling of peace that you have then becomes a dynamic peace that you have with other people and it's the dynamic peace you have even in a school board meeting. My sister-in-law is the superintendent of schools in Riverside County. She has some I don't know 70,000 students under her purview. I think she's got the largest number of students ever. And I've watched the board meetings because they're on television Riverside and Renee does an incredible job of keeping everything steady in the meeting.

Speaker 4: 45:00

But the one thing that I have noticed is that the people in the audience in my opinion, the audience, the people who come to those meetings need training. Now, she's not in charge of training. Frankly, that's part of the public education system. The public education system should be educating the public so that they can have honest, decent, dignified discourse wherever they go. So these people who have never been trained come to my sister-in-law's board meetings, school board meetings, and you don't know what you're going to get. You just simply don't know what you're going to get. You get some people who are just rude and they stand up. Some people, actually, some people are really polite too, and it's a mix. But it's not what a society needs to be in order to be a society. A society is what you have if everyone responds alike. I'll say it again A culture is a society wherein everyone responds alike, and that's public education in the context of my wonderful sister-in-law. So this is something that we need to develop for our communication as we are getting into the pre-planning, which is what you and I are doing Now.

Speaker 4: 46:34

Look at you and me. You and I, right now, are having a dignified discussion. We are I'm talking, I'm speaking, you're speaking. We can even interrupt each other because there is a didactic process of interruption. That is wonderful, because it's the leapfrogging, it's the close interaction that people have when they're talking. But that's not rude interruption. But that's not rude interruption. We have a polite process that needs to occur in all of our pre-planning efforts.

Speaker 4: 47:12

And now I'm talking about pre-planning because when I looked at my sister-in-law's board meetings I say where was the public education pre-planning that prepared these people to sit in the audience and just come to a meeting and stand up and just say something during the public? And by the way, I've been to lots of town hall meetings too. The same thing in my own town town hall meetings. I don't see any commonality of methodology, of presentation, of discussion, of any of the people in the audience. But some of them are always very dignified and you can tell right away how wonderful it is when you have a process of communication. That is a solution for what communications must be.

Speaker 1: 48:11

I agree, and I think it's important to talk, and this is one of the reasons and you mentioned this earlier that I talk to all different kinds of people. I talk to people I agree with, I talk to people I disagree with, but I've never been objectionable with anybody, and I will tell you that I've always learned something from each of my guests. I think that's a lesson that we can use in life in general, and I think it kind of speaks to the heart of the matter, of what you're talking about here and I wanted to give you a lot. Of people may not know, but I've seminary trained, I was formerly an ordained minister, but some of the stuff that you're saying, it has a very strong, uh, biblical context.

Speaker 1: 48:55

Uh, in hebrew, the word peace is called shalom, uh, and it really is not about the absence of conflict, which is exactly what you said. Instead, the concept of shalom or peace is the result of right relationships with one another, with creation and even with God, and there's a Bible verse in Hebrews that says follow peace with all men and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. And so what does that mean? Well, I think it means kind of what you've been saying here, oddly enough, that we need to have right relationships with one another and with creation in order to achieve that feeling of peace. And to me it's fascinating feeling of peace. And to me it's fascinating.

Speaker 1: 49:48

I don't know what kind of epiphanies or processes that you went through in coming to these conclusions about some of the ideas that you have, but I find a lot of continuity in them and to me it's just, it's really fascinating. You know, sometimes there's the idea that when the world is ready for an idea, it will occur to people. You know, at the same time, and perhaps perhaps here we have an example of it, this, this idea has occurred to you and now it's apparently occurring to the mainstream media as they begin to pick you up, which I congratulate you for. Um, now, these peace templates are are very interesting to me. Uh, and you have this concept of the process is the solution, which? I wonder if you could tell me a little bit more about that.

Speaker 4: 50:43

Well, a couple of things. First of all, allow me to honor you for your past religious upbringing. And that followed because my father-in-law father-in-law, whose house I am in right now, was a sack-cleared minister for the Air Force, the US Air Force, and of course I married a preacher's daughter. What can I say? You know, and I am very, very interested in including the spiritual in everything we're doing. That's my comment before about the cultural template, the third template. It's not following Marx, but it's not disallowing Karl Marx.

Speaker 4: 51:33

You know, I believe that we do need to give people according to their needs and help with and I don't know, utilize their abilities too. So you know, that's Karl Marx, but you know he kind of forgot that the spiritual side or just neglected, I don't know. But but that's, I think, what went wrong, and I think that's what went wrong with Mao too. So you can't create a religion out of a state mandate. So what we're trying to do, what I say, you and I or we, or whatever are trying to do is to be able to put it all together, and that means that I want people to bring their religions to the table too. I don't want them to Shalom. Thank you for saying that Because you just brought something to me that I've heard, shalom, before.

Speaker 4: 52:33

I didn't know the definition, I didn't know what you just said, and that's the type of thing that we need to make sure we bring to the table when we're talking. I don't want anything from the history of humanity to be left behind. I want no human left behind. I want to be able to see what it is that we have now that we created, because the whole political thing it's not between democracy and autocracy, forget that one. It's between humanity and the human nature and civilization Human nature, civilization, civilization, human nature, civilization. And so we need to make sure that all that we have in civilization that has come to this moment, that we use every bit of it either as a lesson for doing or a lesson for not doing. It's just, you know we're avoiding and, uh, yeah, we have a lot to do now. I don't remember your questions. You asked a question that I I just really got into one answer no, that that's.

Speaker 1: 53:51

That's quite all right. We'll just move on because I have. I have other, uh other things that we can talk about, but, uh, one of the things I'd like to know, as you're bringing this whole idea to bear and exposing the world to it for many people hearing it for the first time what are some of the greatest challenges you have in promoting your ideas? Are people generally receptive or do you have a lot of, is there a lot of contention as they listen to some of these concepts?

Speaker 4: 54:27

I've only gotten contentions, contention, from people who don't want to talk about the issues that hand. An example of that is a wonderful man. I didn't realize that the his interest was in really getting into the sixth extinction, and so that's not something that I care about, as in I've got only a certain amount of time and energy to focus on what I am passionate about focusing on, and it's the next step for humanity. You know, we got here with God, god and all the religions that helped us get to here. Wow, that's how we got here. Now, all of a sudden, we got to take over, and that's why I say, yeah, we got to take over and bring our gods with us. You know, let them, we all, they sit with us. They're already with us, you know. Let us not, let us not forget them.

Speaker 4: 55:28

So I think that as we move ahead, our process has to be to make sure we don't slip off the tracks and talking to somebody about the sixth extinction's just it's, it's. It's a non-discussion topic. I go ahead. If you're in the geography classes or geology or something and you know and you're looking at the whole history of the planet, you know, and how many billions of years it got to the point where it was, you know, a bubbling boil of lava. You know, I it's. I'm thinking about the pragmatic steps that we have ahead of us, and it's because I'm a planner, I mean, I got it in my head, it's nothing I can do about it.

Speaker 1: 56:17

No, you're, you're, you're a strategic thinker, and and and that's evident it's very evident in in the jobs you've had in health care and now with your peace mandate, global peace mandate. We are coming quickly to the close of our program, jeffrey. I want to ask you again to share your book and website and other social media details. But I have a final question here for listeners who are inspired by your message or intrigued by it, or want to know more information what steps can they take to get more involved in the care for peace or contribute to the vision of the second human evolution?

Speaker 4: 57:01

Talk about it.

Speaker 4: 57:01

Evolution, talk about it, talk about it. We are in a very, very, very early stage of pre-planning. I don't even I can even not call it pre-planning and call it something else, and I'd be just as glad because it is what we need to do before we actually start planning. But we got to talk about it and you know you've got all sorts of people that you're going to be talking about, talking with, about things, and you don't want to have your discussions with them be circumvented and talking about something like the first and second human evolution. But you can probably bring some of the things we're talking about, just the way you brought Shalom into our discussion. You know you can bring some of the things that we're talking about into your discussions with them, because when you're talking with people, you've got to reach out and touch them where they want to be touched and where they're used to being touched, touched and where they feel comfortable being touched. So just talking, talking, but a lot of listening too.

Speaker 4: 58:13

Believe it or not, I do a lot of listening. I really do. I mean, it's more important to me to come from a meeting like this with you and say, hmm, I'm going to look up Shalom, which I wrote it down just now. I really want to know more about things. I love learning and so a lot. And you know right away if you're talking with somebody who wants to listen and wants to have a didactic discussion, a debate, wants to put their opinions aside and look at something from all angles, and that's really what we need to do Just talk about it. What the heck do you know about the first human evolution? Did you know that it's over? Holy crap, really, it's over. I didn't even know we had a first human evolution. Did you know that it's?

Speaker 3: 59:05

over. Holy crap, really it's over.

Speaker 4: 59:06

I didn't even know we had a first human evolution. I mean, you can start with that, which, by the way, is what someone said that's what she's going to do, and I saw her the other day and she said she's doing it with everybody.

Speaker 1: 59:17

Oh my, that's a good friend.

Speaker 4: 59:20

So to answer your question, I'm Jeffrey Charles Harvey. I have written a book. It's called To Care for Peace A Global Mandate to Secure the Second Human Evolution in Perpetuity. And the little quote on the bottom of the cover says the process is the solution. Now you can buy the book on Amazon. Just go to Amazon, write Care for Peace book and it'll pop right up. And I think the last thing I want to share with you is the first sentence in the book, and the first sentence is this To care for peace may not be the secret of life, but it is as close to the secret of living there is. I'll say it again To care for peace may not be the secret of life, but it is as close to the secret of living there is.

Speaker 1: 1:00:21

Very profound, jeffrey, I really enjoyed our conversation. Again, as always, we're going to put your resources available on our guest resource page links to your website and your Amazon books and everything like that. I have learned a lot in this hour that has flown by. I hope our listener audience has likewise learned something Start talking and meet people on their own terms in a place where they're comfortable with Jeffrey. Thank you so much for being a part of the Patrick Bass Show. Everybody check with us tomorrow. We've got another great show lined up for you. Until then, keep the blue side up. Thanks so much, thank you.

Speaker 3: 1:01:07

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