Harnessing Neuroplasticity: Kathleen Riley on Rewiring the Brain for Mental Wellness on The Patrick Bass Show

Transform your understanding of mental wellness with insights from certified neuroplasticity expert Kathleen Riley on the Patrick Bass Show. Ever wondered how intentional actions and emotions can reshape your brain's neural pathways to combat chronic stress and anxiety? This episode promises to equip you with actionable steps and powerful knowledge to harness your brain’s natural ability to rewire itself for a more resilient and positive life. Kathleen reveals the science behind neuroplasticity, emphasizing the brain's tendency towards negativity and how we can counteract this by forming new, beneficial habits.

Explore the mechanics of emotional responses with Kathleen as we discuss breaking free from automatic reactions. Learn how to identify the root emotions behind your reactions and re-educate your nervous system with feelings of peace and safety. This conversation also sheds light on the broader implications for men, addressing societal expectations and redefining modern manhood. Discover the importance of creating safe, non-judgmental spaces where men can explore vulnerability and emotional awareness, paving the way for significant personal transformation.

Kathleen also unpacks the fascinating world of brainwave states—beta, alpha, theta, delta, and gamma—and their roles in learning and neuroplasticity. Gain insights into how maintaining the brain in states like theta can facilitate rapid change and emotional management. We discuss practical methods like meditation and heart-centered breathing that elevate emotional states and enhance the heart-brain connection. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to elevate their emotional well-being and harness neuroplasticity for substantial, positive change in their lives.

Chapters

• 0:00 Men's Mental Health and Neuroplasticity
• 17:23 Changing Thought Patterns and Emotions
• 25:00 Exploring Brainwave States and Neuroplasticity
• 36:26 Elevating Emotions Through Neuroplasticity

Transcript

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It's the Patrick Bass Show. Welcome back to the program. On today's show, we're diving deep into a topic that affects so many of us, especially men, in today's fast-paced world chronic stress and anxiety. Our guest is Kathleen Riley. Our guest is Kathleen Riley. She's a certified neuroplasticity expert who has dedicated her career to helping men transform their lives by harnessing the incredible power of the brain's ability to rewire itself. Kathleen combines cutting edge science with a heart centered approach to guide her clients towards lasting emotional well-being and resilience. So, whether you're dealing with stress yourself, or maybe you know someone who is you're going to want to stick around for this conversation. Kathleen, welcome to the show. How are you doing?

Speaker 6: 3:34

Oh, thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. I'm doing wonderful.

Speaker 2: 3:39

We're delighted to have you. What is neuroplasticity? I guess we need to start there.

Speaker 6: 3:45

Yes, yes, excellent question. So let's imagine for a moment a pathway in the woods that maybe you haven't taken before, or a ski run in the mountains that you haven't taken before, so it's barely used. It's a pathway, it's a single neuron in the brain, a likeness to a single neuron in the brain, and so if you use this pathway every day, enough times, you begin to carve out an automatic habit, an automatic state of being which goes into the subconscious. And so neuroplasticity is purely your ability, through your intention alone and your emotion right Emotion and intention to build new neural pathways in the brain, which then turn into new, new neural pathways in the brain, which then turn into new circuitries in the brain. So it's everything. You've been playing upon, this incredible ability that human beings have when, every time, you build a new habit, right.

Speaker 2: 4:58

So is this something that we can actively participate in in terms of creating these pathways and rewiring our brain, or is it something that just kind of happens in the background?

Speaker 6: 5:08

Well, so we, at various points in our life, we developed habits, right, positive habits, not so good habits, and some habits are easier to form than others. And so what I'm trying to say is you can intentionally create elevated habits. That does require more effort, more energy, more attention, more daily devotion, and or you can easily form less elevated habits, right that the brain is wired to allow to essentially form more easily, and one of those are chronic stress because of the negativity bias, where we are working against ancient wiring that says it's a lot easier to pay attention to the negative and activate the stress response than to attach to the positive. So, to answer your question, we're either creating patterns almost unconsciously or we're creating patterns consciously and all of it is wiring in the brain.

Speaker 2: 6:29

Okay, I get it. So, one way or another, we're creating patterns and we can either take an active role in it yes and maybe do something that's positive, or kind of take a default station and just you know as it will happen, it will happen. Yes, yes, a default station and just you know as it will happen, it will happen.

Speaker 6: 6:45

Yes, yes, like, how easy is it to form the habit of sitting down and watching Netflix, right? I mean, all of this material has been created to be easily consumed, to activate certain, you know, creations of chemicals in the brain and body, to make it addictive and easy to create the habit. So, to make it addictive and easy to create the habit.

Speaker 2: 7:05

So what is it about now? Maybe I've gotten my wires crossed here, but I understand that you work more specifically with with men and uh, dealing with neuroplasticity in men. Is that right, or or am I off base on that?

Speaker 6: 7:20

No, you're absolutely right Um okay.

Speaker 2: 7:23

Yeah off base on that. No, you're absolutely right. Um, okay, yeah, okay. And what is it about men in particular? Uh, that is it. We have more just inherent stress, or or what. What is it about being a guy that that makes this very important to me?

Speaker 6: 7:40

Yeah, no, men tend to be less likely to develop chronic stress than women.

Speaker 2: 7:47

Really.

Speaker 6: 7:47

Yeah, so what brought me to this path is that many, many years ago, kind of setting the personal story aside, overcoming chronic anxiety and panic of my own through neuroplasticity and meditation, and then what I came to understand through various experiences in my life is that men are a lot of men are not, you know, in this cultural environment and others as well are not taught how to properly process emotion. And what emotion is nothing more than energy in motion. It's just energy, and some feelings are, you know, some emotions are less desirable than others, but actually kind of a side note on that it's your belief systems that color the energy to be negative or positive. So you always have energy. It's life force energy. You always have it moving through your body. However, it's your belief systems that color this energy to be negative or positive. Okay, yeah, but to fully answer your question, when you're looking at the issue of chronic stress and this can be mild, moderate, severe of chronic stress and this can be mild, moderate, severe what happens is, if you don't know how to properly process emotion and energy, over time, what happens is this fear, this fear energy. This energy is a frequency. Frequency is information for the nervous system, for the body. So this energy builds up, it gets locked in the body and then, over time, you start experiencing physical ailments.

Speaker 6: 9:53

You know, transformation, inner well-being, is largely female for female, and you know it's not really intentional that way. It's just women are, you know, drawn to this work. So, you know, through our own lens and perspective, we tend to draw other females into, you know, as clients, right, and so there's a huge gap of support for men who are not speaking right. Men largely don't talk about their emotional states and so, therefore, what do we see? We see significantly higher suicide rates. We see significantly higher substance abuse rates. You know, you, you feel inwardly, stressed, unhappy, lonely, angry, resentful, you, whatever it is, and so you, you, uh, you cover those up with various things. So that's kind of, um, you know, kind of the whole men. You know, uh, men living lives of silent. You know, quiet, desperation. It's lot of guys would really identify with that.

Speaker 2: 11:29

Because, you know, growing up, you know a lot of us are told you know, suck it up. You know, be a man, you know stuff like that when you're, you know, seven or eight years old.

Speaker 6: 11:38

Seven years old, my God.

Speaker 2: 11:41

You know, yeah, sure, you know, and so a lot of guys I think you're exactly right A lot of guys don't know how to deal with their emotions, and so what you're telling me is you know that over time, you know you're not dealing with these emotions. You have all of this buildup and then it's going to manifest itself in various different ways Uh, stress, uh, probably health issues, uh, substance abuse and a higher incidence of, uh, suicide and stuff like that. I get that. I see all of that. I think you're exactly spot on and accurate about that. The question becomes what do we do to change it? Um, how, how are you reaching guys? And, and is you know what, what is the breaking point for most of the men that you deal with?

Speaker 6: 12:28

Yeah, three, three. I'll answer. Uh, three different pieces there. Um, so the breaking point is almost always related to happiness or health. Right In the happiness category you have marriage, you have kids, you have relationships, you have a very unhappy work environment or you have divorce or you know whatever that is. So in that category, what I often see is and largely, you know, these men are kind of in their, their midlife period, 38 to 60, roughly and um, so what I see a lot of is, uh, you know, men will realize it was beautiful, wonderful fathers. They realize, oh my gosh, my children are growing up so fast and I can't disconnect, I'm not present with them, uh, because of my stress, I can't turn my mind off, et cetera. Yeah.

Speaker 6: 13:28

And so that's one example of a happiness you know factor, or you know, just, you know marital challenges that are rooted in the stress response. The other factor is health right, um, the other, the other factor is is health right, so I can't sleep, my God. Oh, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. You know I can't sleep. Okay, let's address that. You know, there are various reasons why, why the stress response creates that issue, um, or cardiovascular challenges, or muscle pains. So that's the answer to that question.

Speaker 6: 14:14

The other, I reach my clients through YouTube and LinkedIn.

Speaker 2: 14:23

So, and then you asked me another question what was the third one? I guess what? I think it was all kind of together, but, like you know what, what is the breaking point? But I guess I guess what it comes down to, kathleen, is that, you know, whatever the motivation is, there's probably as many motivating factors as there are men seeking help. You know, I guess it's unique to each of them, while there may be some common themes, I guess the most important thing is, at some point they're recognizing the need for help. Yeah, and you've, you've kind of identified this, this system, or I'm not sure exactly it's. It's like the biology of emotion and thought and how all that works together. Yes, can you talk to me about that?

Speaker 6: 15:07

Absolutely yes, yes, yes, it's a matter of you saying, well, okay, okay, calm down. I could talk all day. So, looking at the neuroscience and the biology of emotion and thought. So you know, we, we have the conscious mind and the subconscious mind and you know, we, we've all seen or maybe maybe I'm just, you know, speaking to this because, but you know, that classic glacier, right where the top is the conscious mind, that little piece, everything else is the subconscious. So that's, that's like the human body, so the body is the subconscious mind. That's where the habit of stress lives, uh, in the nervous system, the autonomic nervous system, and and then, of course, of course, you know that also draws in, you know, reptilian brain as well. But then, um, then you have this, this, uh, you know small part, the frontal cortex of the brain, that is largely responsible for the thought, the intention, the thinking, and, um, but that's more of the conscious mind.

Speaker 6: 16:22

So the emotions that you have, emotions are the language of the body and thoughts are the language of the brain. So when you are rewiring a pattern that is lodged in the body, in the subconscious, the subconscious meaning, it's been done, that pathway in the brain has been followed so many times that it's an unconscious pattern, stress. You need to use emotion to rewire patterns in the body. So emotion is extremely important when it comes to either, you know, building positive patterns in the body or building, you know, less positive patterns, negative patterns. So then the thoughts right, the thoughts become. You do have, you know, kind of unconscious thinking patterns. We've all been there where it's like A whoa, how did I get from point A to point B? And in that reaction, you know, it's because the emotion of that reaction is learned by the body. It's been, it's been created many times. And and then the thoughts that we think are going to directly come out of the emotions we feel.

Speaker 6: 17:51

So a lot of this is about cultivating awareness and you don't have to be this super advanced meditator and awareness and all it really boils down to grabbing a pen and paper and going, okay, what do I want to change? All right, this is the loop, this is the thinking, feeling loop that I want to change. Maybe I have a habit of I don't know cursing at people, at children, at my family. You know, I don't know, maybe that's something I want to break and I get really angry. Okay, so what's the emotion? It's anger. What's the thought? You know, I can't believe you haven't done the dishes. You know I don't know. And then what's the stimulus? Okay, a dirty kitchen. So you've got a whole loop there that you travel unconsciously over and over again and half of the process is becoming aware of it. So, yeah, yeah, does that help answer?

Speaker 2: 19:00

Yeah, it does. I'm wondering is there a sequence of events here?

Speaker 6: 19:14

I mean, what comes first? Does the thought come first, or does the emotion come first? Or is it situational? How does that work when it comes to doing this work with men? I mean, you have somewhere. The average person is going to have around 75,000 thoughts a day, but far fewer emotions, right?

Speaker 2: 19:40

Right.

Speaker 6: 19:41

When you're changing patterns in the brain and body, it's much, much, much, much better just to focus on the emotions, changing the emotion, and so that's why we focus on re-educating the nervous system with frequency of peace, right, the emotion of peace, the emotion of safety, right, how does it feel to be safe? Um, so, so really, yeah, when you're trying to change thoughts, go go into the emotion first, because it's like, it's like plugging your lamp into the wall. You put the, the lamp, or the, the lamp, you know, resembles the thoughts and the outlet is the emotion. So you change the emotion, you change the thoughts.

Speaker 2: 20:30

I wonder to what extent this is really defining manhood for a lot of guys. I wrote a book called the Modern Gentleman and it was kind of written from the concept of we don't get an instruction manual and we're pretty complex beings and for some people, particularly younger men, they don't know what to do. Maybe they didn't have a father, they didn't have an effectual father or, whatever the case may be, didn't have a good role model. So they don't know how to be men, much less boyfriends or husbands or fathers. So this book was an attempt to provide, you know, basic training, yeah, to the point of, like dad advice, you should do this, you should not do that, those kinds of things, really basic stuff, so that at a minimum you could say they can never say well, I didn't know, I was never told you.

Speaker 6: 21:22

It's wonderful.

Speaker 2: 21:24

But this is this is kind of taking that, I think, from a, from a different vantage, from a different vantage point. Um, and it's and, and I think in some ways, you know, a lot of guys have these societal expectations we're going to be the protector, we're going to be the provider, we're going to be the leader, the role model and all those things, and I think there's a place for that. I think all that's good, but I think there also has to be an opportunity where we can be vulnerable and, as you said, deal with some of these other emotions. When you're working with these men, how difficult is it for them to accept a change like this, where it's really kind of defining for them at some very fundamental way what being a man is. Do you get resistance there?

Speaker 6: 22:23

No, to be honest, I actually don't, which is interesting. This is very cool. No one's ever asked me that question and so I never actually thought about it. No, I don't actually thought about it. No, I don't, and I think it's because it might be, because I'm. I bring feminine energy to the, to the environment.

Speaker 2: 22:49

I bring, I'm very, very, very careful to bring a very safe, non-judgmental loving space, and so no, no, actually well, I can tell you you have a very calm and relaxed demeanor and presence which comes through to me over over this uh conference that we're sharing here today and, um, it is very reassuring and um and it and it almost kind of you know, it's almost like I've got the volume turned up all the way and it's like turning it down and I'm like, okay, take a deep breath, everything's cool.

Speaker 2: 23:30

That's how it feels on the inside. You know, um, and, and maybe you know so, one of two things. One, either it's not an issue and I just think it is, or two, I create the issue when I talk to guys, because I talk to a lot of guys and you know, in some cases, you know, we have this concept of iron, sharpens, iron, and you know I've I've dealt with some guys before. Frankly, they just need to have their butts kicked, I mean, at some, at some level. It's like I don't think you're going to respond to anything else. We'll just do this old school.

Speaker 6: 24:05

I'm just kidding, send them my way.

Speaker 2: 24:09

Yeah, see that you're. You're dealing with it in this in this very cool way, which is seeking to, to, to hack, hack us, uh, and and and rewire us at the neuron, at the level of our neurons, which I think is cool. When we first started talking, you were I. I asked you what kind of music do you like? And you said something like I listen to a lot of meditation music, and then you mentioned meditation at some other point early in the show. Is there a very strong correlation between, kind of like that, meditative mindset and neuroplasticity? Is there some connection there that helps us achieve higher levels of neuroplasticity when we're more in a meditative state?

Speaker 6: 24:58

Yeah, yeah, two things. One, so you have different brainwave states. You have beta, you have alpha, you have theta, you have delta, and then you have gamma and beta when you're in high beta, and then you can be in high, medium and low levels of these different phases or brainwave states. So when you're in high beta, you're in stress, you're, you're, you're. Your nervous system literally thinks that is not a conducive state to building new synapses, to building new wiring in the brain. Um, because it's not. It's not an ideal state to learn. So your body learns best when it's relaxed, ideally in low beta or alpha. Alpha is like where you're relaxed and creative. You're taking a walk in the woods, you're really feeling the birds and the blue sky, you feel really relaxed. So that's alpha, theta.

Speaker 6: 26:22

Theta is the magical state. So theta is in meditation. You can go really deep. Meditation is a really broad term. Right, there are plenty of schools of meditation. There are plenty of schools of meditation. So what I've done is I've developed a method that I call pre-sensing, and men are doing three segments of meditation a day for eight weeks. In these meditations they spend 95% of the time in theta, and what that means is the subconscious mind is completely receptive to new information. So when you turn off the analytical mind, you know you always hear like stop thinking, catch your thoughts, bring you know, come back to the present, let's bring you know, come back to the present. So when you turn off that analytical mind and you move into theta state, you're very receptive to new programming. So it's an extremely rapid state to change patterns in the body. And so, yeah, there are different states you can be in that are more conducive to neuroplasticity.

Speaker 2: 27:47

Um, yeah, yeah. What's interesting and help me piece this together because I think I'm making a connection in my own mind that may help others understand this better the beta, beta waves is is that related to um, a cortisol uh release and a fear or flight uh response in the body at all? Yeah, if you're in a high beta state, yeah, yeah, it activates extreme alert okay, and so that basically puts us into this mode where our brain is basically ready to fight or to flee.

Speaker 6: 28:23

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:25

Okay, and so alpha is like I'm at home, I'm relaxed, everything's chill. You know, I'm not on the lookout for a bad guy around the corner trying to get me. And then theta is. I'm in this meditative state and I guess there's a lot of ways to get there and I'd like's a lot of ways to get there. And I'd like to talk about your pre-sensing method some more, because I think this is really cool. You know, I've talked to gurus, tai Chi masters, hypnotists, and I think you know, from my very limited viewpoint of how this all works. I think that's what they're getting into, that theta state.

Speaker 2: 29:00

Absolutely and you know, like, yeah, when you talk to a really spiritual person or like a like a, a guru or a Tai Chi master, or even like a really prayerful, like a pastor or somebody like that, they, they have this demeanor about him. That just seems so calm and reassuring and relaxing, and maybe that's a physical expression of what's going on in their head, maybe because there seems to be this common thread, and I think, you know, I think I'm getting to a point where I'm understanding this just a little bit, but I think, like you said, it's all tied to that theta brainwave.

Speaker 6: 29:41

Yeah, it just kind of opens the door for a greater.

Speaker 6: 29:46

I don't know how spiritual your audience is. But yeah, so when you first of all, what, what you, what you practice every day, you just become really good at it, right? So if you practice moving your nervous system into various elevated states, you know one being peace, that's an elevated state. One being peace, that's an elevated state. And what I mean by this is just to kind of expand a little bit. So emotions have different frequencies. I don't know if you've heard of the Hawkins scale of consciousness, the Hawkins scale of frequencies.

Speaker 2: 30:35

Not specifically no.

Speaker 6: 30:37

So frequencies travel at certain, you know, rates of speed. Right.

Speaker 6: 30:45

So you know, shame is the lowest frequency, and then you go all the way up and you know enlightenment is the highest, depending on what scale you look at. Some would actually say peace is the highest scale you look at. Some would actually say peace is the highest, um, but so, so there, there are various hertz measurements of hertz per emotion as you move up the scale of consciousness, scale of awareness, um, and so a lot of, you know, meditators really practice this, they practice choosing and managing their emotional states. So when every, for example, I do probably three or four hours of meditation a day, so every day, I'm practicing managing, putting my nervous system into a state of theta and then even, in some cases, you know, into into Delta, but not not quite just on that door. But so I'm, I'm putting my nervous system into this extremely relaxed state and I'm also moving into a state called what's called pure consciousness, where I'm stripping my sense of identity. So I'm eliminating my idea of having a body, my idea of time, my idea of things, my idea of being in an environment and my idea of being a person, right, someone. So in doing this, this, I become pure consciousness and that is a magnificent space to connect to higher power, to connect to um. You know the most high, you know divine, whatever your term is, god. You know, connecting to that, that higher, infinite intelligence whereby I can actually receive, um, a greater level of peace, you know, a greater level of safety, a greater level of protection, and that is actually information for my nervous system, that is information for my body and um. So, yeah, when you talk to people, you know you see this on.

Speaker 6: 33:00

You know the brain scans. You know there's a huge difference between you know, you look at the brain scan of a nun and an advanced meditator. As compared to you know, someone who has no meditative or spiritual practice, it's very, very different. So there's a difference in gray matter and certain centers of the brain are more activated than others. And so you're absolutely right. But anybody can do this. Anybody can master the state and get better and better at regulating their emotions, and emotions are the key to happiness. So if you, you know, really, truly it's feeling emotion, elevated emotion, and managing higher states, as opposed to, you know, indulging in lower states, is truly going to make you happy.

Speaker 2: 33:57

I feel like we're right on the verge of this amazing revelation. So let me step out on a limb here and ask you a couple of things, and I'm just going to throw a couple of things out there. Maybe I'm just way off base, and if I am, let me know. But at its core we are energy, absolutely All right. So you said emotions are. What did you say? You?

Speaker 2: 34:23

said emotions are energy in motion. Okay, so if Now you said that also these and these energies travel at different frequencies, now that's interesting to me, because those frequencies are on a sound spectrum. I mean, I deal with sound all day long, and so when I speak I'm emitting frequencies with my voice or speakers or something like that that travel and they ripple out. Like you know, you throw a pebble into a water and you see those waves. That's kind of what sound waves do and they're creating. You know they're a frequency.

Speaker 2: 35:05

So maybe I'm getting a little too out on a limb here, but what I'm piecing together in my brain is that if we are energy and all of this stuff is operating on different frequencies, then maybe we can even use sound. Or maybe when we say something that's, you know, releasing these frequencies and it's creating this energy. And you said that our belief systems will then cloud that as either positive or negative. I guess energy by itself is just energy. It's neither positive or negative. But how we perceive it, our, our cultural um beliefs, will um decide if it's good or bad. Um, but I there's gotta be a connection here, or maybe I'm just absolutely off my rocker here. I'm maybe I'm talking in circles Help me out Is. Is there any connection here whatsoever?

Speaker 6: 36:00

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Everything is interconnected. Everything is part of the talking in circles. Help me out is is there any connection here whatsoever? Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Everything is interconnected. Everything is part of the whole. Nothing is separate. Um, definitely, definitely.

Speaker 6: 36:10

Okay, so everything is energy right and energy vibrates at different speeds, all the way down to the speed of matter, tables and chairs and the human body. So now, emotion is just life force, energy cycling through the body and then being colored on the basis of our belief systems and them being colored on the basis of our belief systems. So effectively the human body can, you can raise the frequency of your nervous system, of the human body, past disease, right, disease vibrates at a frequency just like emotion, and disease vibrates at a very just like emotion, and disease vibrates at a very low frequency, just like low emotions. Anger, fear, resentment, jealousy, all that garbage, you know, it's like there's a lot to be said for forgiveness.

Speaker 6: 37:12

So you, you move past that, you elevate. You elevate by managing your emotions and managing your thoughts and becoming aware and choosing, and so you elevate and you elevate. And that's what all the energy centers are about, right, the chakras. So you elevate and you move up the body by changing and tuning your nervous system is like a violin, it's like a or a tuning fork and your, your thought energy, your thought, emotion is what tunes the nervous system and you can tune it. And now, now this goes into some other fascinating stuff where your emotions and your thoughts create the environment in which your epigenetics live, and your epigenetics are ripe for being. They're either turned on for disease or they're turned on for health, and so that's why I mean truly healthier people are happier people. So so, yeah, I hope that kind of pieces it together and thoughts, yeah, it does.

Speaker 2: 38:21

And, yeah, this whole thing is fascinating to me and, frankly, I could probably talk about this for hours, but we have only one hour or so and I want to get back more into your specific program, the pre-sensing, more into your specific program, the pre-sensing and we're just going to blow through our breaks today because I think this is a very fascinating and important topic and we'll figure it out on the other side. But tell me more about the pre-sensing, the program. You begin to mention that and how folks are going through three segments of meditation over eight weeks and they're really just getting dialed in and in touch with you know what's going on in their body, in their mind, in their emotional center and things like that. Yeah, how do you do? I mean, first of all, tell us everything that you can about how we can find out more about this and then, if you can, in a few minutes, explain really what it is that you're doing during these sessions.

Speaker 6: 39:30

Yeah, so I founded the company about eight years ago and so that's when I really developed this process, and it's influenced through positive neuroplasticity, which is the neuroscience of happiness. It's influenced through science in neuroplasticity. There's a lot of science in meditation now looking at brain scans. There's a lot of science in meditation now looking at brain scans measuring energy fields around the body. So it's gone through many. This process has gone through many iterations, but the framework really remains the same, and I have a YouTube channel and so people can go there and explore some bite-sized tools. And then we just released an app as well and in there has all the courses and free courses as well.

Speaker 6: 40:30

Um, so, so this is my uh, I call it the kind of survival to creation, you know process so effectively. You can't move into greater states of wellbeing and happiness and health without moving out of chronic stress. You can't do anything if you're in survival mode. You know you're. You're pretty stunted. So I mean you can that's overstating. You could do plenty of things. Plenty of people do that. You can go to the grocery store. You can do fairly well at your work. You can that's overstating. You could do plenty of things. Plenty of people do that you can go to the grocery store. You can do fairly well at your work, you know, uh, but the point is you're not flourishing, so right.

Speaker 6: 41:11

So this it's an eight week process. You're doing about 25 to 30 minutes of meditation in the morning, in the afternoon and at night. So it's intense. It's intense. I like to throw people in the deep end. I want them to experience huge change quick, and it's definitely a commitment. A commitment, however, so in the first month, is about educating your nervous system on these new frequencies, these new energies. Peace, calm, love is huge, oh my gosh, you know what? The frequency of love as information for the body, protection, safety. So you're moving into calming breath work. Then you are moving into heart-centered breathing, where you're relaxing your heart and you begin to regulate the heart rate variability.

Speaker 6: 42:23

So this gets into some other things a little bit. I won't digress too much, but there's tons of fascinating science around how the heart and scientists have found tons of neuronal matter in the heart, literally neurons in the heart that are identical to neurons in the brain. So the heart and the brain are deeply, deeply interconnected as information channels, as sources of intelligence. So this is another thing we work a lot with is relaxing the heart right Through breath. So in relaxing the heart and becoming aware of the heart you can begin to open up that channel of communication between the two and the heart. Get this the heart informs the brain a lot more than the brain informs the heart. So that tells us that the emotions we feel in the heart let's say gratitude versus anger is literally informing the brain on what thoughts to think and therefore informing the actions of the human being. So we've actually started doing work with men in policy and government to start healing that communication channel and changing decisions and choices.

Speaker 6: 44:00

But so that's the second portion. And then you're going into that deep theta state, that deep pure consciousness state where you're able to then bring in that protection, bring in that love, bring in that safety and you feel it all throughout your body, your brain, your nervous system. And so that's the first month is about educating the nervous system and healing the heart. You know, emotionally but also physiologically I mean a lot of men are dealing with cardiovascular issues. So then the second month is about building new circuitry in the brain where you are wiring old stimuli, let's say an angry boss. Well, no one wants an angry boss, you should just move on and find a new job.

Speaker 6: 45:01

Right, let's say, a contentious argument with your wife. Okay, that keeps resurfacing. That's the stimulus. You unconsciously, well consciously, but very easily built the pattern of reacting through stress to that stimuli. Now you know uh, you've heard the, the, the phrase, um, use it or lose it. That's, that's neuroplasticity in a nutshell. So you stop using the stress response and you begin using the calm response and you train your brain to associate arguments about I don't know whatever the argument is about, argument A with the learned response of calm. And that's where the emotion is huge. And then that's the second month and it's huge transformations.

Speaker 2: 46:03

Wow. And then what happens in the third month?

Speaker 6: 46:08

Oh well, well, we offer more courses in, you know, cultivating uh a life lived in the present.

Speaker 2: 46:21

Um, but that particular process of rewiring chronic stress just takes eight weeks, Wow. So literally in two months you can really change your life and improve it in a very dramatic way Improve your health, improve your thoughts, which in turn could improve your relationships, improve your job. I mean, the list goes on it just cascades.

Speaker 2: 46:43

Oh yeah, that's. You know, it's amazing to me how, if you think about it, in some respects it's a very simple concept you change the way you think and it'll change the way your body responds and literally the person that you are. But I guess this is a fact that has been lost to time and everything else, and you've kind of rediscovered this and put this pre-sensing program together and it's helping a lot of guys, right.

Speaker 2: 47:16

Yeah, yeah, oh, my God, and you should see the wonderful messages their wives sent well, yeah, I mean because if this guy is now, you know, got his emotions regulated, it's, it's, it's like they're the guy they always dreamed about.

Speaker 6: 47:35

Yeah it's like who are you and what have you done with my husband?

Speaker 2: 47:39

Yeah, Thank you. By the way, let's see, your website is Kathleen Riley, that's R-E-I-L-Y dot com, kathleen Riley dot com. And you also said your YouTube channel is YouTube dot com at pre-sensing P-R-E-S-E-N-S-I-N-G, es, e N S I N G. So we'll have all those resources uh linked uh on our website, pw basscom. Uh, kathleen, if there was, you know, one thing that you wanted to, one message that you wanted people to take away from this episode today, uh, what would it be?

Speaker 6: 48:18

Every moment is an opportunity for choice, and you can choose consciously, or you can choose unconsciously and just remember not choosing is also still a choice that's a good point.

Speaker 2: 48:36

So you're in the game, whether you like it or not.

Speaker 6: 48:40

The game of life.

Speaker 2: 48:42

Yes, yeah, welcome to the rat race. No, you're in the game, whether you like it or not. So why not choose consciously and do something good for your life, right?

Speaker 6: 48:53

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 48:57

Okay, anything else you'd like to share with us today? Okay.

Speaker 6: 49:00

Anything else you'd like to share with us today. Well, just that, you know, check out our resources and and you know it's, it's the, the tunnel. The last thing I would just say is that stress has a way of making you think and feel finitely. You know you can, you might feel like you're sort of stuck in this tunnel, and this is the way it is. It's the way it has been and thus the way it always will be. But that is not true. It is not true at all. It is not true. And uh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:39

So, guys, if you're wanting to make a change in your life, maybe it's come down to health or something in one of your relationships. Uh, you're not sleeping at night, you're just feel crappy all the time. Whatever the case may be, it could be as simple as uh changing your wiring in your brain. So check out KathleenRileycom or go to her YouTube channel at Pre-Sensing Kathleen, thank you so much for sharing this with us and our show and all of our guests today. I really hope that it will reach somebody and help them improve their life for the better.

Speaker 6: 50:13

Thank you so much for having me. It's been a real honor and joy. Thank you.

Speaker 2: 50:18

Likewise. Thank you, and we'll talk to you again real soon. Guys, check us out Now. Tomorrow we're not having a show. I've got something. I've got to take care of a personal thing, so we'll pick back up on Wednesday. So be sure to check us out on the Patrick Bass Show. Thanks so much.

Speaker 3: 50:33

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